Well that and heroics died out as something people did outside of the daily for the higher tier emblems.
What is your point exactly?
Community perception concerns me.
Meta really means nothing outside of trying to be #1 in the world, and the idea of the meta revolving around what the top players/guilds in the world are doing is one of the greatest cancers in this game. That, alongside gearscore and no RDF has become a method that gets used to gatekeep simple content intended for casuals.
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I experience this in retail as well.
Now, I mostly push rio with guildies or make my own groups - but typically in pugs, despite being one of the top ranked resto druids on my realm in S3 - the demand for the more meta class is always there. I have been kicked from groups, and get the occasional “wow, you’re good for being resto!”.
People pay far too much attention to the meta without understanding it.
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You are saying that it has become, but you are making up things that are not real and exaggerating, to make a point.
Is the things you are talking about a reality or some idea you have about a possible future that may happen?
I am not seeing anything remotely close to what you are claiming in this game today.
What is the worse thing you actually seen in Classic so far?
It didnt happen ladies and gentleman, he didnt see it in the game, so pack your things and leave, theres nothing we can do, its just not real …
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What didn’t happen? What does the “it” stand for?
I got 80 at sunday, gone in tool was invited to all hcs in mostly pvp70 gear and some blues as rogue. After that i did all the raids just with tool, just didnt naxx naxx cause i didnt had time. Tool works perfect, just use it.
I am not seeing anything remotely close to what you are claiming in this game today.
I get the impression you will disregard my answer regardless, but here we go:
What sealed the deal for me was the community after the honeymoney phase faded in Classic Vanilla. I love WoW. I always have, and I always will. But I’ve also come to the sad realization that it just doesn’t grip me the same way that it used to. Part of that has to do with my priorities being changed, but it also has to do with how the community interacts with the game now (boosting, insane min-maxing, buying gold - was always a thing, but I feel like it’s been more rampant the last couple of years). Blizzard are to blame as well, because:
They don’t crack down hard enough on the bots, gold buying/selling so the economy grows and prices inflate compounding the issue. So whilst the community are definitely to blame, there’s also a fair chunk of it on Blizzard for not stomping out the behaviour when they could, and allowing it to flourish. All while constantly gatekeeping content.
I understand that gaming culture have changed and it will never be the same again no matter how artificially archaic you make a game. People are too organized and the game - among others - is too documented. Classic was a nice one time chance to relive a nostalgic period for some. For me the first part of classic was great. Now it’s just sad.
You are saying that it has become, but you are making up things that are not real and exaggerating, to make a point.
I believe it’s ironic you deny my reality, when you seem to have been living under a rock yourself. TBC trends would most likely - and have already - continue considering it’s (mostly) the same people playing.
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But it is not reality. You said so yourself You are exaggerating a fictional post from chat that never even existed.
You write a lot of reasonable things in your last post adbout the economy and bots and whatnot. Personally I rolled on a fresh pve server just for these reasons. But you somehow see a cross-realm dungeon finder as a solution to something? Or what do you even want?
It’s also weird that you talk about “your reality”. There is only one reality. You made a claim about a specific post from chat. I questioned if that was real, and it wasn’t real. But you still talk about “your reality”.
What is the worst thing you have actually seen when it comes to heroic pugs so far?
But it is not reality. You said so yourself You are exaggerating a fictional post from chat that never even existed.
This is MY experience, and MY perception. It’s not my fault you can’t read between the lines - so stop with the gaslighting already.
You write a lot of reasonable things in your last post adbout the economy and bots and whatnot. Personally I rolled on a fresh pve server just for these reasons. But you somehow see a cross-realm dungeon finder as a solution to something? Or what do you even want?
Obviously.
RDF solves many of the current problems that were in TBC. Not putting it in wrath classic means all those problems transfer into wrath classic plus the problems created with the new LFG “tool”.
I have asked many times now. What is the worst thing you have seen so far?
What is your ACTUAL REAL experience from Wotlk classic? Give me the absolute worst thing you have seen.
Again this makes me seriously question if you have even played any Wotlk heroics. Comparing TBC heroics with Wotlk heroics are night and day. You want to solve problems from TBC in Wotlk that doesn’t even exist in Wotlk? What?
What problems are created by the new LFG tool by the way?
TBC heroics was HARD and required a lot of time and effort even to get through the door. And when you did them they required a lot of effort for low reward. The reward to effort ratio was very low.
WOTLK heroics are the opposite. They are easy and require no effort to get in to and they are high reward and low effort. Bring a bunch of noobs in crap gear, doesn’t matter, just do them quick and easy, get nice rewards.
You do realize that if we ever get Heroic+ there is zero chance they would be part of a RDF tool. Right? They would be like Mythic dungeons in retail. RDF would kill the whole leveling experience and the social dynamics for questing and running dungeons and on top of that you would still have all the negatives you can think of for Heroic+.
xDDDDDD
Tell me you are clueless without saying you are clueless
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What is your ACTUAL REAL experience from Wotlk classic? Give me the absolute worst thing you have seen.
People like you.
Players with petty shortsightedness who can’t see and understand the larger picture.
Short sighted? I started to play during TBC retail and experienced the whole WOTLK without RDF and with RDF along ICC. I saw first hand what it did to the game long term and short term.
How exactly do you believe I am short sighted? Isn’t RDF the very definition of being short sighted, to get more faster and easier.
It’s in the title.
The removal of RDF has nothing to do with the community, nor socialization - Why? Because for the return of it, you’d have to convince Blizzard it would make more money than boosts and GDKP.
People do take advantage of it however through gatekeeping.
Which is why it makes no sense to put these requirements for content intended for casuals.
You mean as opposed to the sitting in capital cities waiting to run the same dungeon for the 50th time while spamming macros /4 that people do now? Or you haven’t seen that either, although it’s very much present everywhere?
Also, having RDF will not prevent you from grouping and interacting with others - it’s just another option people can use.
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Sure you did
Anyone who claims to have been there when RDF was introduced and then also say it was bad for the game is simply a liar, probably started in WoD.
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You heard me.
Of course it’s easy to find groups now in the beginning of an expansion. It makes sense to have RDF for scarce participation.
Blaming the downfall on one feature, and then denying being shortsighted?
A toxic community will always make socializing less desirable, and in return, make people do less. And that is why people kept to their guilds, even back in the days.
I did play during TBC and WotLk too, and I - alongside many others it seems - had far more positive experiences with the tool. Because that’s all it is.
That says more about your mentality.
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RDF hasn’t been “removed” because it was never in the game to being with and it wasn’t introduced until ICC in WOTLK.
For the rest it’s just tinfoilhat nonsens.
I don’t know if you are aware but both RDF and LFR have gatekeeping built straight into it with a ilvl requirement to do the content.
Gatekeeping is the who point with an MMORPG.
RDF literally have ilvl requirements built in. There is nothing wrong for a player that are creating a pug to have whatever requirements they want. You can always create your own group or play with your guild or friends and allies.
You guys are like dishonest politicians. That is literally how content looks with RDF in the game. You level to 15 and then teleport to dungeons with RDF and between that you sit in town or maybe, maybe do a quest here and there. The whole world and questing are totally meaningless and you can do the same heroics many times in the same day.
Yes, people are using LFG to look for players for groups. That’s the whole point with a LFG chat. How is that in any way bad? The fact that dungeons are not instant to get to makes the world relevant while looking for players in chat and whatnot.
With RDF people just click a button, teleport to a dungeon with people from other realms. People you will never and can never socialize with again. You don’t even need to know what continent you are in or where the entrance is.
When something is so much more convenient and give so much more rewards compared to the effort it’s not really an option to use. And you also seem to ignore the fact that RDF replaced the LFG tool and chat in Wotlk.
no you don’t that’s a fantasy by people who never played
Right now if you try to get a DM group, while sitting in city it will take 40mins-1hr. If you went and did quests while trying to form a group it would take double that.
Just by the fact it would be faster with RDF, means you will spend more time out of the city doing what you want.
Only level 80s sit around in cities and they have the right to.