Gcd is the biggest problem of bfa

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@Hina-terokkar

Mw monks worst stat is haste in a raid environment. It is good in dungeons.

Was, now its actually last stat again. Crit/mastery is the way to go with haste being last. Glad you know about mistweavers.
But yes i do play windwalker and didnt see that OMG ITS MESS from legion to BFA.

@Hina-terokkar

Other than helping to prepare for aoe phases with blanketing and being hot based, everything will have more ticks.

Yeah its only you that needs preparation i guess right? No other healers dont they just 1shot heal everything with 1 click.

@Hina-terokkar

As mw, haste reduces your gcd and cast time also, but you only have essence fonts hot component, rem and enveloping mist otherwise that it affects in any way.
Which is why haste is the last thing you want in a raid.

Is it captain obvious again? Yeah, but no i have another HoT too but still not as rewarding as druids hots are. But i can tell you game is alot more fun with high levels of haste, but at least im not whining for it on the forums like a baby.

@Drashicho-hyjal

no one asked for wf/tf.
no one asked for gcd change.
no one asked for flying getting ride of it.
no one asked for personal loot.
no one asked for removal of master loot.
no one asked for mount equipement.(8.2)
no one asked the removing ability of waterstryder.
no one asked the absurd amount of rng.
no one asked for the change of talent tree.

Who told you changes are made based on what you will ask in forums?
This mentality is wrong. All you stated above except the RNG abuse are PERFECT calls from blizzard.

[Drashicho-hyjal]

why are they perfect then explain to me?
for the gcd i will approve, for flying too but for the rest no so sure.

[Necrassa-silvermoon (Necrassa)]

Simple really. My macro used to do 2 things, and now it only does 1. Players dont view macros as 1 action. After making the macro a player knows exactly what is happening when he/she uses it. Take the example of the battle cry+odyn’s fury warriors use in Legion. As a player, I am aware that my macro will make odyn’s fury crit for big dps. However, let’s take battle cry away from warriors and now your odyn’s fury does not crit anymore, which clearly sucks. Just because we macro’d those 2 abilities together doesn’t make any of them less significant.

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@Rondakungfu-stormscale

no one asked for wf/tf.
no one asked for gcd change.
no one asked for flying getting ride of it.
no one asked for personal loot.
no one asked for removal of master loot.
no one asked for mount equipement.(8.2)
no one asked the removing ability of waterstryder.
no one asked the absurd amount of rng.
no one asked for the change of talent tree.

WF/TF Keeps people playing the game, still plebs whine how easy it is to aqquire epics on BFA without realizing that vanilla epics are the max ilvl item EG 425 now.

Personal Loot, I guess you never been on a guild that your GM took all the loot and gave it to the same stronger classes without letting you roll it. Remember Tier tokens? Was a mythic raider on WoD, never got one from mannoroth because they always gave them to mages for a possible TF/WF/Socket since they where the highest dpsing output class.

Master Loot: Again, i was a mythic raider on WoD and never aquired a class trinket from archie. I went to a VERY FAMOUS guild running a pug and guess what? The mage ninja looted the trinket token and left. Master loot = ninja loot. PERIOD out with it.

Mount equipment? Youre playing a game with 400 Mounts? Personally im forced to use 1 just for herb gathering. Now with this change i can use invinsible and farm my herbs. or whatever i wanna farm.

Waterstrider. Why not removing it? You will get an item for 100 gold and make any mount waterwalk and not as ugly as that. You should be happy imho.

RNG? Yes its an MMO, what you expect?

[Hina-terokkar]

I wasnt crying. I never mained ww i just stopped playing it as an offspec/alt in raids and m+ and i couldnt care less. But i agree that it is a lot worse to play with the gcd changes aswell as its less fluid and running out of energy/chi at points which just didnt happen in legion.
It also feels really bad to play blood dk and having dancing rune weapon on the gcd while its not just an offensive but defensive cooldown aswell. Same for prot pal wings.

Why you have to be so offensive about everything? I just had to point out that haste and having cooldowns on the gcd wont help at all especially for specs that doesnt like haste.

No, its not just resto that has to prepare for aoe damage but you cant deny that a monk has less work to do with it than a resto druid or disc priest. Im not sure why you felt like going on the offensive about this part either.
I didnt know you needed to prepare 10 sec before aoe to smash essence font, im so sorry to offend you…

Idk where you get your information from because i do track peak and dreamgrove healing channels daily and last time i heard all stats were very close and you wanted to go for ilvl and then mastery for dungeons on mw.
But plz do lighten me up because i know nothing.

Since you were trying to be captain obvious how to heal on mw monk, so sorry i mentioned anything gameplay wise lol.

Its like im not playing mw monk and resto druid for 4+ years…

[Drashicho-hyjal]

well one thing sir.

if a gm would do that people leaved the guild and the gm got shotted on general chat and everything same for masterloot.

yes acquiring gear now its at a finger with a simple click,click,click.
so yes getting gear is easier.
everything you wroted was deal by the community for the community.

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@Hina-terokkar

Why you have to be so offensive about everything?

Really?

@Hina-terokkar

but you cant deny that a monk has less work to do with it than a resto druid or disc priest

You are serious now right? Because i do play Rdruid right now, it outputs like mad with 0 effort and without casts inside M+. MW takes literally twice the effort to output less. The only thing that MW can do easyer is ST burst heals. Thats all but can make them oom in 30 seconds.

@Hina-terokkar

Idk where you get your information from because i do track peak and dreamgrove healing channels daily and last time i heard all stats were very close and you wanted to go for ilvl and then mastery for dungeons on mw.
But plz do lighten me up because i know nothing.

player-spotlight-vibezz.

@Hina-terokkar

Since you were trying to be captain obvious how to heal on mw monk, so sorry i mentioned anything gameplay wise lol.

Its like im not playing mw monk and resto druid for 4+ years…

Now if i answer you accordingly and tell you that doing 1mythic boss and 13-14 keys doesnt mean you know to play the specs i will become offensive?

[Hina-terokkar]

@Rondakungfu-stormscale

You are serious now right? Because i do play Rdruid right now, it outputs like mad with 0 effort and without casts inside M+. MW takes literally twice the effort to output less. The only thing that MW can do easyer is ST burst heals. Thats all but can make them oom in 30 seconds.

I was talking about raids m8. M+ is completely different. Oh boy resto druid is op in keys argument inc.

@Rondakungfu-stormscale

Now if i answer you accordingly and tell you that doing 1mythic boss and 13-14 keys doesnt mean you know to play the specs i will become offensive?

Well i wasnt the one obviously attacking the other persons abilities right?
I am officer in a guild on a dead server. I only play with my guildies even though yes, we cant do mythic on this server horde side.
I also dont pug keys and only play with my guildies and they dont allow me to push to 18s.
But this obviously means i cant play my characters good, right.
Because you need so much skill to join a 5/9 mythic guild and do 17s with ppl who have a brain.
Skill and where i am has nothing to do with each other. I dont remember me offending your capabilities at healing or that your rotation must be bad cause “omg another of those ppl who think mw cast everything instant”

Im out of here. Not came here for insults and the thread had nothing to do with your epeen of feeling superior with your 5/9 mythic. And btw, no, you shouldnt.

[Kaliyaa-argent-dawn]

@Drashicho-hyjal

well one thing sir.

if a gm would do that people leaved the guild and the gm got shotted on general chat and everything same for masterloot.

yes acquiring gear now its at a finger with a simple click,click,click.
so yes getting gear is easier.
everything you wroted was deal by the community for the community.

Why let the community to fight each other if devs could make everyone happy by giving the personal loot?
All other mmorpg games does exact same thing, were they wrong doing so?
GCD change was needed to nerf instant-burst killing, and give players some time to counter play against someone executing it in longer period of time.
Just because you did not liked it, doesnt mean it was not needed, it was and it made WoW pvp much more balanced than it used to be.

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@Hina-terokkar

I was talking about raids m8.

Considering you sit at…At least 15% haste Hotting everyone and then pop up a giga tranq to make you a healer yes, Rdruid healing aint nothing serious. Or when you pop the tree and make instant the 1 out of the 2 casts you have? The only problem you have is when someone else bursts heals and ruins your HoT’s thats it. That doesnt mean that druud is actually hard to play my friend…

When you are trying to convince me that i do my stats wrong
When you are trying to convince me that mw is easy while you somehow suffer
When you use after this an excuse i play both and i know, its pretty logical to get an answer like this.

No, my guild is a casual raiding guild with great people and lots of fun. For sure i dont consider myself good, but i sure do know how to play my class a bit, how to pick stats for it and above all how to not cry in the forum

[Hina-terokkar]

I said mw is easier than druid anywhere? like, in a way, that it would mean, monk is super easy to play, and how hard druid is compared? No i didnt.
Regrowth is instant in tree but…you dont actually ever wanna cast regrowth in tree so…
Also sure, druid only have 2 spells they use apparently. plz go try heal a raid or dungeon with using a total of 2 spells from the resto druid repertoire

As for trying to convince you your stats are wrong…no, you told me that i dont know anything about monk since you dont like haste in dungeons anymore.
As for the thing i talked earlier, was for small explanation, you know or not, just to put it in context why it doesnt change much for a mw haste or not vs some other specs and that you probably wouldnt notice anything about the gcd changes being bad anyway on your main. But oh yes, i was trying to convince you about your stats

I somehow suffer, yeah sure. I never wrote anything like that. Plz learn how to read.
I dont need papers to say i play both characters and i read up on them on the official discords as far as i know.

I wasnt even crying on the forums, i came here to address some examples of when it feels bad and some, where it doesnt feel any different to play a class. I dont pvp, so it was purely from pve perspective aswell.
Haha, i said i was out, but i had to answer this, simply because of what you said about druids using incarnation.

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@Rondakungfu-stormscale

but you cant deny that a monk has less work to do with it than a resto druid or disc priest

When you say that it has less work from something as easy as druid, yes you did.
You do know by the way that the easyest healer to play for along time now is druid right? How it came now and its not easy or monks easyer?

Havent said druuds have 2 spells,i said druuds have 2 CASTS rest is instant. Still they have less to use compared to a monk and inside dungeons the only thing they change from ST to AoE is the position of the bloom… Man thats easy, if you think its not…OK

Not that mistweavers are hard in raiding now,but defiantly harder than druids.
Fistweaving in Legion was like playing 3 druids right now for instance.

[Dreamkore-burning-legion (Dreamkore)]

@Necrassa-silvermoon

@Dreamkore-burning-legion

I feel as if the GCD change made PvP at least feel somewhat better.

Yeah, that is why I have never hated PvP as much as I do right now. PvP was fun until MoP, and somewhat fun at WoD and Legion. BfA however, turned PvP into a game of chess.

So you prefered the braindead ‘‘GRUG PRESS BIG BUTTON THING GO BOOM BOOM’’ playstyle 99% of PvP was up until now?

[Necrassa-silvermoon (Necrassa)]

@Dreamkore-burning-legion

So you prefered the braindead ‘‘GRUG PRESS BIG BUTTON THING GO BOOM BOOM’’ playstyle 99% of PvP was up until now?

Yes! Because that playstyle is more fun. If you had to make me choose between balanced and fun, I would choose the latter always. WoW is first and foremost; a game. A game needs to be fun over all things, which clearly atm BfA isn’t.

[Sharja-burning-legion]

I did all 36 specializations mage towers, all of them. Was definitely easier when i did use it. Because I didn’t know how to play class and had 890 ilvl.

[Ryura-defias-brotherhood]

There are so many bad things about bfa class design that have already been said.

Gcd is one of them.

[Hólydog-argent-dawn]

@Vitnir-darkspear

people stack up haste haste haste and haste just to make their class feel somewhat playable, and stack up more haste to have some fun.

As a Shadow priest it’s my BiS anyway.

[Athonex-skullcrusher]

Try arcane mage and get back to us.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

I’m not a fan of the GCD.

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@Athonex-skullcrusher

Try arcane mage and get back to us.

Tru high skill cap spec.