Im not a fan of GDKPs and I’m lucky my realm on horde side doesn’t have any.
We have some great regular pug groups and most people either join their pugs or join guilds.
If you want community and to have a laugh with people / build relationships then you do that via a guild. You aren’t gonna find that in a pug unless it’s a regular pug with the same people.
We run loot council with a wishlist and do our best to give out gear to help the raid as a whole not just one person or the top pumpers etc
It’s worked well for us for about 3 years now very few complaints and those that did complain were a bit loot greedy tbh (bis gear missing one trinket, doesn’t get it the first time it drops… learn to share init)
As somebody who runs only gdkp as a raidtype on classic era i agree, it has many pro’s for example i don’t need to worry anymore how to effort my consumes. However there is a big problem with RMT in those raids. While not the only reason but a big reason for gold buying are gdkps. People keep saying they will just RMT boe’s instead if gdkps are banned which is exactly my point they won’t stop at BOE’s they will buy even more gold to buy gear directly from gdkp’s aswell. I know someone who bought A LOT of gold for gdkps and i bought gold for the very first time playing for 12 years aswell for gressil since it’s so damn expensive i’m serious about parsing and want my BIS gear faster. Anyone saying gdkps aren’t accelerating gold buying are straight up delusional.
And for cataclysm i just don’t pug at all. I refuse to pug for harder content you simply can’t trust pugs, instead i raid with a competent guild we are going for SR in firelands but if you have a set roster it’s not problematic at all.
the thing is though, you dont need to actually grind your own gold to participate in buying items. For example the first 5 weeks, i was gaining 40k gold per raid, and items could 25-35k, so every raid i could secure myself an item and still get leftover gold… If i didn’t buy any items at all, i could still stack up gold and ensure im getting what i want next time.
Just playing GDKP alone, is giving me roughly 70-100k gold per week now, and im not even a raid leader. This late into the tier im getting this amount and all my characters are fully bis geared. im still gonna continue raiding, because im getting closer to 1 million gold that i can spend on the next reset. You dont need to do neither RMT buying, or grinding. You simply just join, and spend on the run, buy items for minbids and build up.
Next tier i can full bis 1 char out of 4 characters in 3 weeks, and after that, that 1 char is just pumping gold to fuel my economy for the other classes.
I’ve been raiding on 3 chars fully bis geared for many weeks. A lot of people do this, and that’s why a lot of people have a ton of gold, eventhough they dont do RMT. It isn’t pay to win for us, its literally managing your “DKP” and hard committing to a lot of raids.
Do the GDKP’s sometimes bring buyers that does do RMT? Yes 100 %, but that really isn’t our problem, us who runs regular every week on 4 chars. We just get payed to pump. Sometimes we gear up others alts with all the gold they saved up - Sometimes its randoms doing RMT. whatever it is, it works, and raids gets cleared, organised and make a ton of fun out of it.
All that, assuming it’s your choice what items you buy and don’t buy. I was blacklisted as a “fake buyer” when I didn’t bid on sidegrades/slight upgrades, even though I didn’t even join that run as a specified buyer.
And with that said, you can try to justify it however you want. But it really is taking advantage of other peoples illegally bought gold. You even said so yourself, that you don’t care if people in your run is involved in RMT. If you choose to ignore the problem, ofc you’re not gonna see or feel it.
Tbh i still dont see (even tho you probably explained before but my goldfish memory can’t recall) how exactly does rmt ruin your game. I guess it encourages bots who somehow ruin your game however other than that i dont know.
RMT + Bots you wonder how it “ruins” the game , lets see !
1 . materials for ur proff´s are going to be extremly hard to get due to the insane ammount of bot´s farming the material for gold !
Doing any heroic dungeon will be near impossible since people will inspect and go “LOW ILVL!” even though you have the required ilvl for the dungeon !
GDKP´s should be removed from the game once and for all . people who want to play the credit card game can find someting else , there are plenty F2P games wich allow / encourage pay 2 win methods !.. be aware though pay 2 win does not work IRL
So my opinion is that GDKP core which is DKP system is solid and proven.
The bad thing comes into play when point is gold which you can buy and sell. So one can buy gold for dollars and get P2W experience. Another can sell gold for dollars and turn raiding into work which is bad.
So my suggestion would be to introduce boss tokens and actually emulate EPGP which I consider the best system in the world for gear distribution.
So when you kill a boss, everyone gets 10 boss tokens. Healers get 2 bonus tokens tokens and tanks get 5 bonus tokens and raid leader gets 10 bonus tokens. Those drops are awarded at the end of the raid so people wouldn’t leave.
And now when gear drops, it auctioned and boss tokens go into pot which then distributed evenly.
And every week 20% of boss tokens are cut from every player to keep it from inflating or something like that.
And you can’t get boss tokens any other way. Well you can buy a boost I guess but that’s the issue with any gearing system so won’t touch it.
Given the fact that gold selling happens for the entirety of WoW existence and even legal alternative in the form of WoW token didn’t put it down, I wouldn’t expect it to go anywhere.