Yes but as you can see i also raid hence the 2/8 mythic but sure be a pleb and its not even my mian which you will be hard press to find 
4 pieces from 16 golfclap your trying to hard .
4/16? Yeah sure from Warfronts only, and then you were also defending the world bosses where the rest of your gear is from. Nice one
I donât connect gear to accomplishment. That ship sailed many years ago. Accomplishement is to me what you do that makes you feel like youâve reached a goal. Gear isnât a goal in my case. You can throw me all the items possible at the highest itemelevel possible, and I would feel nothing.
Then again, I care for apperance. Stats are irrelevant. I just want the mogs, so I can look whatever way I want within the possibilities.
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Yes this is of course a huge problem. As a mythic raider that had 8x mythic Gulâdan kills in NH tier, my friend who was just 10/10HC with not a single Skorpyron mythic kill (1st boss) had 2 item levels less than me. He also had better relics in his weapon because titanforging. Itâs a massive issue but Blizzard loves the Bernie Sanders loot, they love equal outcome rather than an equal opportunity.
Please tell me where my trinket is from and my weapon and my azerite gear and my rings and so on .You are clutching at straws but go ahead dont read what i said you are whineing about things that dont even concern a casual like you .
Tasty raid history you got ther Snus you have a history of really pushing yourself âŚ/s
Dont tell me a new account your other got hacked or banned âŚ
Well to be fair even if he himself might not be a cutting edge player, his point is still valid and it stands. Thatâs why you have tools like Raider IO nowadays, you canât tell the quality of a player by his gear alone, which used to be enough.
Excactly the point i made earlier we have tools to see who are the better players and NOT use item lvl it means nothing .
Raider IO and warcraftlogs give you a better idea what you are taking onboard .
But these types of players just see item lvl numbers and think its just job done .
Far from it ,you need the team and skill and the self motivation to want to push into the hardest boss kills the higherst mythic + and highest arena rateing but these guys wount see that they are here to troll and to mock and no read reason .
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Casual? im 2.3k cr and 2.1k on my other shaman? I just dont enjoy raiding and would like to get back into it. Your trinket is from Lions Roar no worries im your forum wowhead.
Yes 1 trinket from 2 yes well done and i bet you are one of the players who whined about templates in pvp .Imho PVP players shouldnt have stats/armour but rely on skill if they are that good .
See you dont like being called casual see how it feels when somebody belittles your point of view and starts grasping at straws over gear ?
Clearly told you this is not my main and my friends on the forum know who it is and i choose not to post on it but even so you can checks my FoS and my Legacey achivements and so on and so forth to see ive raid since classic and at an ok lvl so please exuse me for having a little fun on my alt char whilst gearing her ok
9/16 items are from World Bosses / Warfronts. Youâre like talking to an angry SWJ, ignore all the facts and keep talking rubbish. What are you even doing in this thread? I am a casual lol, i have college to do i cant sit around and play all day yet i still think it would be better for the game to make rewards something you work for. I know thats a weird concept for you that someone who isnât going to get the items thinks that it ruins the game.
Oh the old SJW comment because you know you are talking utter rot and havent got a leg to stand on and mate my progress ingame and real life > all over yours .
I think you need to learn to read or get your eyesight check because your missing any points i make but iam done talking to a person like you all mouth no action .
Its your own failings not being able to push the highest you can be .
Simple fact is college isnt an excuse
Method players have work and family and still manage top and same guys for the top ranked PVP/arena guys so your point is moot .
You are nothing more then a raving child who doesnt like reading or being proven wrong .
You havent given any facts you will not be in the same skill lvl or gear lvl as a heroic/mythic raider or mythic+ pusher with stuff from wq/invasions .
Its like talking to thick people and brick walls all you can see is item lvl thats all you focus on its a tool they needs to be used correctly but sure keep on trying to belittle me and telling me im wrong .
370 - 385 - 400 - 415
Wellfare epics or cath-up gear shouldnât pass 385 unless maybe for 1 boss. So say Ivus drops 3 pieces of 400 but the rest just 370 or 385. 385 for a warfront win and 370 for invasion and emissaries (you can do this more often). And I have no problem with catch-up gear if suddenly an invasion goes up to 400 I will be forced to endless do them just because I can TF the legs, wrist, cloak and 1-handers to 415 (410 for weapons) for the stat distribution. I donât look at IL as a pwoer measure I look at them for what I need. Kinda pissed at PvP because there is no reliable way to farm that one ring and 2 trinkets that are BiS. Atleast in M+ you can farm a specific dungeon.
Depending on next raid I will see if the list of 5 items will grow or shrink but that doesnât take away that an invasion at the very elast drops BiS bracers and weapons for me (barring mythic raid drops of which I only got 1 of 2 despite endless seals). My point remains catch up gear that is equal to HC current tier is just 1 step too far.
Back in WoD I used to be happy if my alts had 3 pieces of gear of world bosses that were equal to a normal raid boss in WoD (I pick this period on purpose due to 4 raid difficulties becoming the standard), now I scoff at it and scrap it. I didnât even do the world bosses anymore for gear, I hope for azerite armor so I can scrap it for residum.
I understand and agree i hate tw/wf but one thing you keep on about is the 370 cache you need to be 363 /364 anyways to be able to get it .
BTW have you got a source saying they are boosting invasion and wq caches at all ?
There is no challenge when I overgear the content soo much that I skip some tactics, I donât like raiding anymore just because of that, Iâd be more happy if I could progress through the raid while experiencing it instead of brute forcing through.
It would be more fun if the raid was easy but at same time designed around the huge abundance of gear people get than to do a super hard mythic raid that requires some getting used to, cheese tactics and brute forcing some stuff.
for every person making claims like you there is at least 10k people perfeckly happy with the way loot is distributed
want proof ? check how many Wf are going 24/7 .
people are basing it on ptr but there is no proof that scaling of incasion gear will be here on raid launc on 23rd.
Ty Lili
you are not geared. Neither on your warrior, nor on your main the hunter.
Also wrong. And a reason why youre sitting at 365 ilvl
Subpar loot which needs to titanforge into oblivion to be useful at all.
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I was browsing some peoples profiles yesterday looking for people suitable to our raid setup for incomming tier (itâs never been so hard to find people for M raiding!).
Iâm currently 387 ilvl, 8/8M, killed around 50M bosses on this character alone, around 100 heroic bosses as well. Done all the warfront shenanigans, every weekly chest at maximum level from the start, evey emissary, generally Iâve been giving myself as many chances at loot at possible except for highly rated pvp (1.9k rbg rated). Not a single 395 ilvl item looted. Not one. Only one 390 ilvl item gotten.
Iâve seen around 20 profiles, basically all of them had 0/8 - 3/8M progression with just a few kills overall and roughly half the amount of hc kills compared to me. ALL of them had over 379 ilvl equipped and 2 of them exceeded my ilvl. Only 4 of them had not a single 395 ilvl item equipped, record one had 3x 395 and 1x 390 (not counting AP) and no, he was not spamming m+10 day in and day outâŚ
After seeing this Iâm pretty convinced the system is rigged, itâs skewed towards people who struggle with progression in the game (not only raid-wise but in general) and itâs the most unfair thing introduced to an MMORPG games ever comparable to straight up pay2win bullcrap.
No wonder people leave the game in, well, millions I can say now within a couple of months since release when they literally have no goals. Itâs like buying an overpriced Jazz Jack Rabbit game, going through it once and moving on to something else or whatever. Why would anyone bother going into mythic raids, when by devoting 5% of the time, putting no effort and no gold into raiding you end up with literally the same gear or even better? As long as youâre not focused on getting CE achievement what is there that makes you want to push it and kill Gâhuun? Freaking extremely underpowered trinket which is worse than crafted 355 one? Maybe A CHANCE at getting another helmet with underwhelming traits?
Itâs increasingly harder to find people who actually want to raid M. Guilds crumble not because bosses are harder than in the past but because people leave the game that has become a RNG hell, where there are no goals anymore apart from maybe catching all the pokemons or fulfilling all the stupid world quest associated achievements, maybe collecting all the stupid inflating mounts locked behind 24h one button pushing grind.
What blizz released some time ago stating that âpeople doing harder content have better rewards ON AVERAGE and Mythic raiders have higher ilvl ON AVERAGE than heroic raiders, which works as intendedâ is full of crap. 1 or 2 ilvl difference is not a difference. 0/8 random people you find ingame or on wowprogress have 384 ilvl equipped as long as theyâve been doing âthe daily and weekly chore listâ.
Iâm at the point of hating the game systems and halfway through to hating the game as a whole.
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Because they bribe us, simply said. So how many go, âEVERYBODY! WOOHOO WARFRONT!â. Most people go: âEh I do it for the questâ or âMy alt is fresh 120 so I can farm up 340 azerite gearâ. Take away the quest and bribe and then see how many will do them again. Not many, because they ar essentally an AFK auto win scenario which somehow reward the same loot IL as HC Gâhuun the boss people hate to pug (granted yes the entire raid is the same IL, but itâs the idea behind it).
Like we donât know, we are against having now HC raid gear already becoming standard WQ gear. No matter if you scale up. Where is the end? This happend because of the small steps they took every expac, tiny steps but all of them together resulted in normal raid gear being worthless. Itâs called catch up, not skip all difficulties except mythic. Which it has become if the plans go on like Bliz has planned. Nobody will invite you for super M+ key or mythic by looking at IL, they will still send you back to earn atleast a curve or to build a decent score for M+. But then they will complain: âbut the gear that drops there is the same or lower IL than I already have!â. Seen that happen aswell, inflated IL joining pugs just ruining it because they have 0 clue but according to Bliz the correct IL:(