As an old veteran of the game which is doing now heroic raids casually I’m not bothered with the gear in the game but with the progression. Don’t get me wrong I’d like to get good gear but I’m not loot *hore. The gear is for me just the tool which is there to help me with the progression.
As someone who has cleared Sunwell back in the days of TBC when it was current content I think how the current progression system is much better because it gives everyone the chance to see and experience most of the raiding content in the game, and in their skill bracket. Whoever is interested for higher one can get into it whenever he/she decides to step up with the gameplay. Back than if you wasn’t a top level raider or if you haven’t put a lot of hours into your gameplay there wasn’t any chance for you to experience SWP and Naxxramas and big percentage of the players were left out and this is not a reason why Blizzard is making that content in the game and spending lots of resources on its development just to have the small tiny minority to experience it in the end.
And you still do if you want to do a real raiding, the one above the LFR level and have some decent progress in the game and not depend on the pugs which are a lottery when it comes to how good or bad they can be. And it still takes time to progress in the higher difficulty of the raids, I don’t recall that guilds one shooted in this xpac Zul heroc or Ghuun, not to mention the people which did the fights on the mythic difficulty, it took them time to make some progress there.
LFR in the game is entirely optional, and a lot of raiders don’t rly do it, and you must be joking if you think that LFR mode can prepare you for the serious raiding when you don’t have a lot of mechanics even there and most of the damage in it is a joke. It’s the same like you would be saying how normal dungeons in the game can prepare you for high mythic ones on the timer.
I agree, but that feeling of accomplishment is stil there, but on the higher difficulties of the content.
I think that problem here is the RPG aspect, the RPG is in the journey, the end game comes as a bonus fun thing to do, wow should address the journey and make Raids less work and more fun, now I know I may be crazy for wanting to play perfectly and so on, but in the end if im not having fun why am I doing it.
LFR…OK NOW NORMAL…OK NOW HEROIC…OK NOW MYTHIC etc.
Same with Mythic+
It’s boring. Make LFR and ONE RAID.
The end.
Also…people really fell for the trap.
Edit: Blizzard only made different difficulties to slow down player progress and so they don’t have to actually put in any real effort after the raid. Only reason we got 8.1 so fast is because of the heavy backlash this game deserved.
Do you think it’s fun running the same dungeons a million times to pull the slot machine lever and get two cherries and a turd?
than raiding is probably not for you if you just do it for gear rofl
Raiders do it for the challenge and fun, at least for me
my main alt ilvl 378 but I still do raids knowing i don’t need the gear anymore but i still raid for the fun of it (I don’t do mythic raids btw)
and I dont care as much if casuals get “free Gear” why would that be important, are you asking for blizzard to force the casuals to raid just to get gear even tho they don’t want to, having other option to get gear is fine
as for Mythic raiders and Gladiators, those guys they do it for the fun, Achievement and the challenge, they don’t do it for the sake of “Gear”
So your saying that a hardcore raider runs around in gear he gets from other things then raiding? As an non raider would have just as good gear, oh wait. Its not true. A hard core raider might have a couple of pieces he got in other content, but most will be from raids.
I wrote in one thread above, how giving free loot invalidates my willingness to do anything in this expansion. I am a casual, but I dont have to do anything to get geared. I want to run normal / heroic raid, I want to do higher level keystones, but I will get better loot for free eventually, everyone will. There is not much point even playing, just login from time to time, do some simple thing and get your lootz.
Who are you to decide whether raiding is for me and what i liked about raiding? Im making a forum post about it because i think the aspect of being excited about getting gear from raids is gone and the whole game evolves around getting gear and becoming more powerful.
Before Dragon Soul with LFR and the nerfs, itemlevel/Gearscore in WotLK used to mean something. It told how good that player was because there was no other source to get raid gear other than just raids. If you got a whisper from a player who wants to join your group with full Naxx 40 gear in vanilla; Sunwell gear in TBC, or 6500 gearscore in WotLK, you knew that player was good and someone you wanted to bring.
I really don’t think loot this high itemlevel should be handled out this easily. It destroys any sense of becoming better for new players to the game, they can’t say ”wow look at that gear, she/he must be a good player. I want to get better so I can be like them!” because they already have the same gear but for less work.
Mythic raiding should be the pinnacle of WoW, not Mythic+ or Warfronts.
Not exactly true as you could buy most of tier 10 from the vendor .Also there were Emblem of frost gear /VOA gear so many BOE flooding the market by the time ICC came around but you could still see who were good players though .
High M+ (seriously the dedication some have) and mythic raiding should be top, I hope the gear rewards for warfronts get nerfed when they introduce HC versions. I’m betting that darkshore will give out IL 400 and Arathi 385 once the new raid launches. Heck following that trend and they confirmed WQ will go to 370, IL 400 for invasions. Absurb.
So aslong as it IL 415 it’s fine. It’s the ebst gear in many cases, and that depends entirely on the spec. That’s not even the point but you keep making it, it’s skipping almost skipping the entire game, so they full 400+ from invasions all they can do now is mythic raiding for improvements IL wise (if it didn’t TF already).
1 PIECE OF GEAR EVERY 3 WEEKS jesus destruct get a grip and with WQ’s you need to have a decent item lvl before you even qualify to get the highest number from cache .
World Bosses are not 100% drop either you are making it up that you can be the same geared as a heroic and mythic raider whch you can not without effort that simple .
For my life your like a dog with a bone gnawing and gnawing thinking only your view is correct but you never ever look at the bigger picture .
There is 16 slots to fill 1 piece of gear every 3 weeks if you are lucky is going to take you 48 weeks to get 385 item lvl from darkshore event thats if you dont get 2nds or 3rds from the drop .
But seriously if you think a casual can get the same gear as you destruct at 7/8 mythic you are delusional.
I think we’ve found the reason why you’re defending Warfronts so much and the gear it rewards. Found your armory even though your profile is private → https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/doomhammer/Celadina → All of your gear is from Warfronts HAHAHAHA
