Not enough to contain my suffering.
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*Hugs Marinya *
Its okay⌠In the Void no one can hear you scream
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Only because nobody can tell yours apart from the howling cacophony of torment in the writhing darkness.
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Dear high/blood elves,
The above is Horde propaganda.
Come to the Telogrus RIft, we have cookies.
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The Telogrus void-cookies are real. They just taste like nothing and are pretty much ice cold straight from the oven.
New expansion. New Dangerbeard return. Hi guys.
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Welcome back!
Hope you will enjoy the new expansion (thoâ it is not that RP friendly if you ask me)
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Iâd like to ask you, why is that?
It is a bit like why Indiana Jones is a bad scientist situation
Dr. Jones got proof, there is a God, a vengefull one, here there is a jar of Nazzi face for proof, and was aware the dangers the Ark of the Covenant, so he looked away
Yet the enemies whole plan was to take it to Berlin and open it with the High Command including Adolf, and it was the very begining of the WarâŚ
He prevendted this, and after this groundbraking discovery, he handed over the Ark and they stashed it away, instead going public
Now immagine, in the 2nd World War, there wold be a very sold proof, God Almight not only exist, but he is back in hes old stich with the plagues, city destroying mood or just fire from the heaven; he exist and very very vengefull one!
Now immagine you are in the team that commited genocide on the choosen people of GodâŚ
If nothing else, the knowledge would change the world (and the course of the war)
Same with Azeroth; suddenly we knew, everything we mostly belived is basically wrong and everyone you lost ended up an afterlife your culture never even heard of or immagined
But there is now a 100% certanity, the Afterlife exist, and part of a System (lets put aside, that system is now broke)
Everything the Naaru promised the Draenei or the Church of the Light about a âheavenâ yeaaah⌠here is Bastion for you
Pandaren ancestor worship?
Whisp after death or chill in the Dream?
Instead you have these things⌠decided by a giant construct, like the sorting hat in Harry Potter, where you should go - according to your life
Logically, Azeroth cultures should fundamentally change and should become death cults, not unlike the Egyptian relegion where your life is basically spent to preapre for the Afterlife
Or Christian, except we rely to faith in both cases and hope for the best
But with the Shadowlands we have proof
And proof and knowledge usually the death of the Faith, you dont belive, you know!
You want to be free of your memories and life? okay, Bastion is for you, just be a good boyscout⌠not that it would matter, because yĂou will purge everything that made you a You
Eventually end up a sin eater vampire? Enjoy the sin, to be sent there to be repent and become one!
God know why Maldraxxus is a warrior âheavenâ for the mighty and relentless⌠with the strong undead , lich, plague and generally dispicable theme. After two scourge invasion , you the mighty warrior, fought two wars against the udnead, lost many to them, friend and family bevame Forsaken and you turned your back to them, you are one who dreamed about Odynâs Halls of Valor (well we know that a possibility, if Odyn quick enough) instead lands in⌠Maldraxxus, and an abomination cheerfully embovels you in the colosseum. And you have to fight your way up to⌠be a zombie warlod or whateverâŚ
The only ones who were ârightâ were the Trolls⌠but they had a cool relationship with their death god, so⌠not a surprise and we actually considered them supersticious primitve barbarians and praise the Light
And lands in Revendreth for the prideâŚ
My problem is the whole big revelations, it not only robbed the faith of Azeroth, but in my humble oppinion, made rp very hardâŚ
Any war, any conflict, any fighting is⌠so pontless when you have this knowledge, what awaits you
Not to mention, if you are not a Maw-walker, you canât really integrate the happenings to your RP.
But this is just my two copper⌠simply canât see any RP coming of this whole situation that not a disaster
But gladly would hear your points! 
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I donât disagree with you but I guess my approach to (new expansion) lore is that my character gets some stuff right, gets some stuff very wrong and is very uncertain about most of it. For Shadowlands that means that my characters will know for certain that thereâs an afterlife, theyâll most likely guess that itâs nothing like theyâve imagined it to be and theyâll spin into a bit of an existential crisis.
Depending on how this expansion is taken in by the general public Iâd say thereâs a lot of potential for interesting roleplay.
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While I agree with a huge chunk of Damienâs post, I think the saving grace here is how one handles expansion lore as common knowledge.
I myself donât think everything the Maw Walker and Bolvar learn would be spread as news all across Azeroth. The Jailer, the Maw and Oribos would be well known enough, but the different locations in the Shadowlands would be mostly ambiguous to the general public.
From the post launch walkup RP Iâve done so far (which isnât a lot mind you, due to sharding and gameplay-wise SL just being a really good xpac which makes ppl play it a lot) what I can say, is the expansionâs plot is not really all too often brought up.
Remember how WoD was regarded as an amazing RP expansion by most people because its plot had very little to do with Azeroth and people could just go off and create their own individual storylines away from current lore?
Iâm hopeful Shadowlands will turn out much like that.
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Me too, man. That was a great time period.
But hereâs a legit RP question for everyoneâŚcorrect me if Iâm wrong, but there are other realms in the SL other than the four covenants, correct? I thought I read that somewhere, but I canât remember where. I could be wrong.
If Iâm right, though, then thereâs another question: which parts of the SL do people on Azeroth know of? What would actually matter to them? Would news of minute details on Maldraxus truly reach Azerothian ears? Or would the common folk only hear about Maw, Jailer, Oribos as suggested above?
There are obvious RP implications for how much knowledge would be common.
I heard that a lot too, would appreciate an actual source for confirmation.
I think thatâs the best way of not literally just breaking every religion and belief system on Azeroth. For the common folk to know as little as possible aside from the threat of the Jailer.
If there are an infinite number of covenants and locations, itâs not all too far fetched for characters to believe thereâs a covenant controlled by (for example) naaru and the Light, and if one is faithful enough, they get taken there after death, or for orcs to believe their ancestors have a specific place in the Shadowlands etc etc.
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There are. We even have a confirmed name for one of them from an item in Revendreth âCrafteniumâ - which seems to be for tinkery sorts.
Edit: Also - thereâs fairly clearly space for more flightpaths in the Oribos travel level.
From an RP perspective it doesnât really change much for me. Jenitâs sort of always felt that sort of thing was a bit too high minded and not practical to think about, my warlock is the sort to assume their afterlife would be horrible and having this confirmed wonât change much for her at all and my priest might have feelings about it but theyâre too stoic to ever let you know.
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Yes! A person who brings evidence! You win the forum for a day.
With that in mind, are Azeroth religions truly broken, or might they all be true based on covenant/realms we havenât seen (and probably wonât in-game)?
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I think quite a few might tie into the covenants quite neatly. I donât think the Holy Light would turn out to be fundamentally flawed if it turned out that by following its tenets youâd end up in Bastion for example. It helps that the magic of the Holy Light is still real too. Itâs not disproven in its entirety. That being said the existance of the Shadowlands might possibly lead to some interesting new interpretations of the religion.
On a personal level for characters a lot might change. I can speak for my own alone obviously. For example Dangerbeard has a past with more than a few heinous deeds in it. Before Shadowlands she could tell herself that the afterlife is unknowable, maybe doesnât even exist. Now she might worry sheâll end up thrown into the Maw or that sheâll have to spend centuries being tortured and broken down by the Venthyr.
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Sounds like motivation for her to turn a new leaf and make up for all the bad deeds with more good ones.
(Iâm assuming Dangerbeard is a pseudonym?)
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Dangerbeard is not a pseudonym. Itâs her last name. It comes from a very very reckless bearded ancestor. As for motivation Iâm not sure where Iâll take the character from here. It feels like Iâm at a crossroads with her where I can either try to turn a new leaf and become more wholesome and go completely nihilistic. Or maybe stay torn between the two.
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I cannot speak for all of Azerothâs religions, but the orcish and the Tauren religion are most likely accurate, as their spiritwalkers are able to commune with the dead. And seeing as neither Cairne nor Durotan are present in any of the four covenants, it is safe to assume that they are each in their raceâs respective afterlife.
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