Iirc Maximum talked about Ovinax mythic and said something along the lines “if we didnt have the WA to coordinate us, it would take us atleast double the amount of pulls.”.
Maybe the first pulls are played without WAs and the WA team programs them in the meantime. I have no prove of that.
I mean, I haven’t been on the forums that long but I’ve seen you post so often that I recognize you as well. You also have like 15k posts. Not judging or anything, but you shouldn’t really be surprised if people start recognizing you when you post that much.
I have you muted, so i dont get notifications of your nonsense. But somehow you always give your uneducated opinion about topics you have no clue about.
Which encounter required a WA or BigWigs / DBM in Lfr, normal or heroic?
Only 1-2 bosses per raid on MYTHIC difficulty require a WA to coordinate the entire raid.
You are a delver and open world enjoyer. Why do you give your opinion on something that you dont engage (and never will engage) with?
I just want to understand it, because it is hilarious.
What a completely vapid comment, the exact thing i was saying “Well i don’t use it or want to use it, therefore it is the same as cheating”.
Sure, funny how this is always only said by the very vocal anti addon crowd who never do content that needs the use of addons, and the people who actually do play the game at the cutting edge in either pillar of content would tell you addons definitely do not play the game for you.
So i wonder who i should take advice and commentary on the game from, multi r1 gladiators, the raid leader of the number one raiding guild in the world, or some random on the forums who is convinced addons are the same as wallhacks in an fps.
This is the sole reason of the entire situation. Those guilds not wanting to “risk” loosing World First by needing more pulls and instead create WeakAuras adn the likes to help them.
Their statemeant prooves they would have been able to achieve it withtout those help, they just could not be bothered. And Blizzard tried to combat this by stuffing more and more stuff into encounters.
That needed to stop.
End of conversation.
Oh that’s not the issue. 
But this guy keeps making personal attacks all over the forum.
Oh, i agree. I hope i didnt come off as someone who vehemently defends WAs or BigWigs. I hate WAs, but sadly for the average CE raider they are mandatory.
Yes, combat addons need to get banned and encounter design should be solvable for the average CE raider without those addons.
Well, not to be rude, but I kind of agree with the sentiment that since all of the content you doesn’t require any addons to fix gaps in issues with the base UI/the way crucial info is presented (which is totally fine btw, I don’t look down on people who don’t use addons) it’s kind of questionable why you have such a strong opinion against addons. It’s pretty much kind of what my initial point is about, shouldn’t the existence of addons not affect you since you do the content you do just fine without them?
Asking you about your qualification to form an opinion on a topic that you openly admitted to never engage with = personal attacks.
Make it make sense 
Don’t be silly with those over the top examples.
Addons were actively harmful to the game’s development.
That’s a fact because that comes from the devs themselves.
Who are you to question that?
And I’m not fanatical about my dislike; I’ve never campaigned against addons. But now that Blizzard made the decision to go down this path; I fully support it.
I want to know if they’re right. I want to see how the game is without the arms race.
If you can’t handle that? Sorry.
The reality is that Blizzard used it as an excuse for years to not fix the shortcomings that addons fixed for them. So you can see why people aren’t exactly trusting Blizzard to do a better job in a few months vs what addon makers have been doing for over a decade.
Right, because the developers of any product is always right about everything regarding that product and have never backtracked because of criticism from the customer base, this is a proven fact.
I said I don’t like gimmicky mini-game-esque fights and you start blabbing about: “How would you know which encounter requires a WA?”
My stated opinion has nothing to do with that.
Leave me alone with your personal bullcrap issues with me.
WA devs, and other devs for that matter are not butthurt.
API that blizzard is providing has been stripped down to the point where WA simply cannot exist. They have no choice but to stop developing the addon.
Removing accessibility is obviously not blizzard’s goal, but it’s inevitable conclusion of their actions.
Blizzard is too short sighted, they are so hyper focused on their ‘vision‘ that they are unaware that they are destroying the game.
This is obviously the biggest change the game has ever seen, and results are gonna be catastrophic for both players and blizzard.
None of us knows ‘the reality’.
We’re not privy to that information. So don’t act as if you know.
They’re assumptions at best.
And you’re entitled to that opinion; don’t get me wrong.
I’m willing to see them try.
If you are not; we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Whether they’re right or not; it is THEIR game at the end of the day.
If they want to make it better; let them.
If they want to ruin it; let them.
We have the choice to react the way we want.
I’m supporting their decision in this case.
And that’s pretty much that.
I dunno, I don’t think it’s wise to say “ahh just mess up the game go ahead, go crazy” if it’s something you want to play y’know.
Nah mate, that statement is the REALITY, and we know that because Ion explicitly admitted that. He said exactly that addons made Devs lazy and that they were able to get by without providing quality UI, specifically because they were able to relay on addons as a crouch.
Of course; that’s why I said:
My point was more: It’s their game and we can only give them feedback (either through stuff like these threads, or on social media or by canceling our sub).
And unfortunately for all of us; many of us have very different feedback because we all like this game for different reasons. Or we like different aspects of the game.
And sometimes those things can clash.
What is ‘ruining the game’ for one person can be ‘an improvement to the game’ for someone else.
I’d be interested to see that statement for myself.
Do you perhaps have a source?
That’s kind of the point of my question of “if you play without addons just fine then doesn’t that mean addons existing doesn’t affect you” because if that’s the case, then the removal of addons is a net negative for people who like using them or even need them for certain personal reasons, while not being relevant to people who don’t use them.
Sure thing, here You go (around 12:25):
