Get rid of layering and spell batching

It IS exploiting. Stop talking BS.

Ah, so if people layer hop in dungeons and raids it’s not okay, but if they hop outside it’s okay. I get it. Buck off with your double standards - it’s still exploiting.

This is just a big, fat NO. It was never intended for players to purposefully swap layers. The audacity of people…

I cannot believe my eyes how there are people who actually claim that “it’s not their fault” and that this is not exploiting. It’s like someone took a giant hammer and just released it on top of your moral compasses, if you even know what a moral compass is.

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You are delusional if you think Blizzard never intended for players to swap layer. Like how a great compagny with great developpers can not think about that when they have developped a system to swap layer when you group with someone to do quest/dungeons/farming ?

It seems you’re the delusional one…

Sure you can do better you little guys alone :wink: .

It’s always easy to spit on someone else work.

A pointless reply.

Blizzard never intended for players to purposefully swap layers. Swapping layers to farm mobs, nodes etc is exploiting. If you don’t agree with that, then you’re just wrong.

Wrong

adjective

not correct or true; incorrect.

“that is the wrong answer”

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It’s really simple,even someone like you should understand it: Blizzard dictated what is and what’s not an axploit, not you. Layer hoping in the outside world is not exploiting. Also there’s no layer hoping in raids.

Sure developpers don’t think about people who swap layer for nodes or farm mobs, they are blind guys who just do work without any sort of common sense about how players will interact with functionality.

All developpers know there is no silver bullet solution. It’s always pro and cons.

Pro-tips : there’s players in every layer. So, if you swap layer for a node or farm mob, high chance you will encounter others player in the same spot or already gathered node. And exponential cooldown prevent you to spam layer change. Try to change layer in Silithus on elemental spot or Plaguelands in Hearthglen, i can guarantee you will not be alone unless you play on a dead realm.

Like i said, you are delusional.

Oh, sweet sarcasm.

Morals and logic dictate what is and what isn’t an exploit, not Blizzard or me. Read below…

It obviously is, unless you’re lacking in the morals or logic departments. Just because Blizzard hasn’t announced it as such (because they’d have to punish 1/5 of the players, and because it’s hard to discern when it’s done as normal gameplay - like inviting someone from your Friends list or the General chat for an elite quest - and when as an exploit) doesn’t mean it’s not an exploit. Purposefully hopping layers to get mob/node spawns is exploiting, and this is as simple as “apples are fruits”, “water is liquid” etc. Layering was made so that player density can be handled, not so that you can farm mobs or herbs or ore easier.

It’s really simple, yet you don’t seem to understand it (or you purposefully deny it since you’re using it as well and don’t want it to be gone).

What is this fragmented reply, and why do you keep making the same spelling and grammar mistakes? Are you French?

Edit: checked Ysondre and it turns out it’s a French realm.

Yes, and the simplest way to deal with this is to turn it off in zones beyond 40lvl, LIKE THEY SAID THEY WOULD, instead of keeping it for people to exploit.

And again, instead of admitting it’s an exploit, you’re hiding behind the argument that they knew it would happen so it’s not your fault you’re exploiting it but theirs?!? Where is the logic in this?

Either you’re a troll or you’re really dense. It’s not your game, your morals don’t dictate what is or what’s not an exploit. It’s Blizzard and Blizzard only. You crying about it doesn’t change anything. And thanks for proving my sarcasm.

Either you’re really dense or you’re morally broken (or you just didn’t bother to read the explanation under the “Read below…” sentence).

Not gonna bother with you until you read it, process it if possible, and then come up with a sensible reply.

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Moral and logic apply everywhere. Doesn’t need to be my game, my garage, my swimming pool, my forest hut or whatever…

At this point you’re just trolling. There’s no possible way you’re not able to grasp the simple fact that your morals have nothing to do in what Blizzard decides what’s an exploit or not.

Again: It’s Blizzard’s game, their game their rules. Got it now? I cannot make it simpler. Don’t bother replying to me. I already did the necessary concerning your case.

It seems I’ll have to quote myself since you’re unable to scroll up:

Just because Blizzard hasn’t announced it as such (because they’d have to punish 1/5 of the players, and because it’s hard to discern when it’s done as normal gameplay - like inviting someone from your Friends list or the General chat for an elite quest - and when as an exploit) doesn’t mean it’s not an exploit. Purposefully hopping layers to get mob/node spawns is exploiting, and this is as simple as “apples are fruits”, “water is liquid” etc. Layering was made so that player density can be handled, not so that you can farm mobs or herbs or ore easier.

I’ll also quote Blizzard on the definition:

“methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay […] and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods.”

I would like to get rid of trees not providing los, then we can return 30 yards nameplates, everyone is happy.

And what of this new exploit where a full party can skin a devilsaur within the same spell batch window (400ms?) and each member gets a piece of leather essentially exploiting spell batching to dupe devilsaur leather.
I don’t know if it’s true or fake news but if it true it’s pretty freakin terrible.

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Its funny how people treat this layering side effect as OK simply because blizzard has no way of knowing who willingly abuses it or who just play the game as the effects are technically the same.

Sure it’s not bannable, won’t ever be (as blizz themselves enabled this). Then again, this is not something that was possible in the game.
I never use it on any of my chars and couldn’t care less that others abuse. But it’s still funny to see the amount of effort people do to justify this behaviour as “intended”.

This problem exist since Beta and doesn’t have enough visibility. We warned US and FR forum multiple time, but not enough visibility so game master doesn’t see this. So feel free to report bug like we did at Beta or make a reddit post.

Thank you for finally agreeing with me.

I want to make this very clear to everyone reading this thread:

Layering was introduced as a way to deal with player density.

#1 Hopping layers by inviting people from your Friends list or from General for, say, elite quests or just to quest together is normal gameplay.

#2 Hopping layers to farm mobs or nodes is “exploiting” in the clearest, purest meaning of the word.

The fact that the two are often hard to discern does NOT mean #2 is not an exploit. If you are doing #2, you are exploiting a system that didn’t even exist in vanilla in a way it wasn’t meant to be used.

The two ways to fix this: #1 turn layering off in zones above 40lvl (a patchwork solution which will fix the problem permanently, at least in those zones, but will likely cause overpopulation issues once the general mass reaches >40lvl); #2 fix layering so hopping between layers all the time is not possible (complicated, but if you plan on keeping layering, then you’ll have to do it).

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3.5k players and 20k queues doesn’t seem like a very fun experience

There is a meaningful difference between those. Layering respawning dungeon bosses was obviously never a designed feature of the system. In the outside world it is all intentionally designed though. Group invite giving you access to the resources on your new layer is working as intended. Players are abusing it obviously but that doesn’t make it bannable.

It’s like the way that the auction house sorts items wasn’t intended to be abused by spamming singles only but that is the outcome of the system working correctly.