Getting declined in M+ 95% of the time, Blizz, LFM+ has to exist, I don't have time for this

Hello there!

Currently I’m a rogue with 610 ilvl and 1750 M+ score. I’m getting declined in 4,5 and 6+ when I try to join, more than 95% of the time and I’m not even joking. Getting accepted 5% of the time means I’ll get an invite one time in 25 Sign Ups and I DON’T, I get a lot less than that. I’ve spent 1 hours sending sign ups and got none. I usually spend at least 30-40 min before finding a group and half of the time when I do, people leave and we can’t finish it. That’s usually an hour and a half of my time with absolutely no rewards at the end. And that happens to me half of the time. Not just now in 4,5,6+…but since the start of M+.

As many of the core, returning and paying WoW players, I’m in my 30s. I have just a few hours to spend in WoW a day, sometimes I have to skip. Weekends are the only time when I can play more and I’ve spend the last 12 hours of my day, trying to play M+ and finished just 4 today. Earlier I spent 3 hours…trying to form groups that took too long and people left (no matter if I was the leader or somebody else). 3 hours. And then finally we entered, the tank was…weird and we died 10 times on the first trash group and people left and I returned to looking for people again. So even when I spend my WHOLE DAY in WoW, I have a veeeery hard time playing the game, because I’m getting declined or can’t find people. This is INSANE. I’m a 610 ilvl player, trying to join a 5+ that drops 603 ilvl items that I DON’T EVEN NEED…and I’m getting declined, because what?! Cuz I’m a rogue, or because people have higher ilvls? Most of the time people that are declining me have lower M+ Score…so what the actual…stuff.

“they made delves for people like you” yeah and…delves got me to 595 ilvl then it all stopped. What now? Cancel my subscription or wait for the Great Vault so I can POSSIBLY get 4 items a month if I’m lucky, but we all know that ain’t happening, I’ll get probably just 2 items that I need…for a month. Is this my choice? Or join a raiding guild? I can’t join a raiding guild, cuz I don’t know which nights I can and can’t play. They have fixed time and day for raiding, I’m not 16 anymore, I can’t do this schedule thing. So…delves to 595 ilvl, then cancel sub? If I continue to spend my free time after work, trying to JOIN an M+ group and HOPEFULLY complete 1 m+ a day…I’ll cancel my subscription of course, that’s insanity. I don’t mind spending my free time in WoW and paying for the game, but when I’m spending my whole night getting declined or people leaving and I maybe complete 1 or maybe 0…what else am I going to do? That’s not PLAYING the game, I’m sending 20 sign ups a minute, and get declined. I want to play the game and progress, but the community is telling me “nope, ya ain’t playing with us tonight, sorry, we need higher ilvl and score, even tho most of us are lower ilvl and score than you. oh and we actually want the top performing classes, not you”

What’s my proposal? Well, make LFM+, but make it so only people that have completed a 4++ Necrotic Wake (for example) can join 5+ NW and THAT’S IT. You will be 99% sure that the person you’re matched with, KNOWS what to do. Make m0 have no requirement and m2 has a m0 req, that’s it. A person that had 0 Ara Kara declined me today…he had 0, he had never done it before. And people cherry pick the best classes right now and the biggest ilvl and scores. This HAS to be addressed. Leave the premade groups for whoever wants it, but make a LFM+ so the millions of people like me can progress even a little bit every day.

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Just join a community, no pressure is a good one.

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If I am making a group why shoud i be forced to take players i dont want to take ?

Alsow what blocking you from starting your own group , 99% of comunications you as “group leader” do are :“hey” “rdy?” “bye”

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And now for the usual questions about m+ matchmaking systems:

  • Why would tanks and healers (and popular DPS specs) want to use it?
  • Whose key gets used?

You’re just going to spend your precious few hours of WoW per day sitting in a queue.

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No no, need to ask for loot trading too :stuck_out_tongue:

Question for you :

WHO will you be matched with ? You still need to find 4 people. Specifically, 1 tank and 1 healer. And that is the problem here.

So. How would an LFM+ system fix this problem ? Because what this system will NOT do is materialize healers and tanks from thin air and make quews shorter.

You will STILL wait 2h to find a group.

The solution ? Run your own keys. When you do that, you automatically join a group the moment you post it.

And YOU choose who you get in and who you dont.

You will then understand what the other side (key poster) is seeing, and why you get so many rejections with 1750 rio. Because you yourself will reject them and invite people with 2000+ rio. :slight_smile:

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I love the entitlement of OP.

Cant be bothered to make his own grp, wants Blizz to make LFG for M+ so he, or she, can avoid putting in any effort.

You’re rogue. Blizz wants you to reroll paladin.

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WhY nOt jUsT MakE YouR oWn grOuP

Because it seems to take 20 minutes to even form one these days? I dunno…

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Aka, lazy!

Aka, better things to do than wait around for a bunch of casual Andies who couldn’t play anything other than a ret paladin if their life depended on it and don’t even belong in a +2.

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I did try yesterday. Like I said, hours went by and the groups kept on disbanding.
I want to put effort, I AM putting effort. Farming those delves alone for a whole week or waiting for hours and hours sending sign ups and getting rejected. I’m doing everything a solo player can do. I learned to clear those T8 delves alone on the first week of their release. I’m not lazy. |
Also, making your own group means playing the key you have. I don’t need the dungeon I have, I need Ara-Kara for example, for the trinket. So I’m looking for groups that are playing this key. How is this lazy or whatever?

Dont you have a guild?
How about make ingame friends?
Join a community discord or similar.

What do you want Blizzard to do? You know LFG for M+ will lead to more grief and tears.

That’s another thing I’m thinking about. The game seriously lacks Tanks and Healers. Nothing new, I know. There’s gotta be a way to make more people want to play those classes. With rewards or something else maybe?

Also, as you said, I will see the other side if I post my own key, and I will see that the system is flawed. People just pick the highest ilvl and score. This information should be hidden. I should choose people by other criteria, like…if you’re going to make a +5, the people should have ++4 before trying to Sign Up for you, for example. There is probably a better way, but something in this direction.

The game started feeling bad when Gear Score addon appeared back in WotLK and addons like Recount and other DPS meters.
Choose people by only seeing if they have the skill to clear a ++4 before joining a +5 and that’s it. That means that their ilvl or Score are enough, because they did great on the previous difficulty.

Am I understanding you correctly here? You are advocating for requiring ++4 to join a 5, because you think this is a good metric. But, when you select players for your key, you go by ilvl and score like most of us do. Therefore, you want ilvl and score to be hidden? Do you not believe in your own argument enough to practice what you preach without being forced to?

(disregarding that you couldn’t hide ilvl and score anyway, just make it more awkward to look it up, unless you took down the whole Armory)

Also, before GS we just had “come to bank for inspect”. Judging players by gear has always been there.

Edit: Wait, I get it. You feel ++4 is good enough to qualify for a 5, and you want keyholders to settle for good enough by not letting them see other numbers that would let them select the best players, because you are tired of being declined for keys for which you are good enough. Pass.

So you think only the best players should be chosen? How will the other 95% of the player base of not so best players progress? That’s what I mean, yes. If you performed well enough to finish a ++4, you should be good enough for a 5. Make it so you need to complete 4 out of the 8 dungeons with ++4’s for example, I don’t know.
That’s exactly what I don’t like, picking the best players. Because what does a best player in m+ mean? I’ve grinded this 611 ilvl and 1783 score alone for 2 weeks playing just a few hours a day. In a week I’ll be 2k rating. Does that make me a best player? Absolutely not. I’ll get there eventually, just slower without a guild and friends. I will appear better, but am I actually? I will get those Vault 616 drops from just finishing T8 delves. I will upgrade them to 629 or whatever the number was. Will that make me a best player, fit for raiding? Still not. So what that even means? It’s true, most people can’t progress, because only the “best players” get selected. How will the rest of “us” progress? I see the system as flawed. Skill matters more than having +5 ilvl than somebody else. I’m trying to think of a FAIR system, that let’s people have a fairer chance, why does that bother you?

Actually Blizz knows why so few ppl want to tank.-
Its that Tanks are treated so badly by other players.

Who wants to tank when all you get while lvling a new tank is “GO GO GO” dps?
You pull a pack you can skip? “OMG TANK NOOB!!!”
Dps pulling ahead of tank because they think the tank is slow! Sounds like fun?

Want more tanks?
Threat them better.

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everyone need that trinket, try meking Arakara +7 group even if you dont have keye and you will see group list get full quite fast, why woud they pick you if they can get 2,4k+ people who even offert to buy it if you can trade it ?

That’s why I think the system is flawed and something has to be done about it :confused:

You can never make a bulletproof system.

If you cant handle real people beeing… ppl. Then a mmo is not the game for you.
It can be really annoying at times, but also very rewarding when you group up with decent ppl.