You fit into that casual andy category with that character. It take’s less than 2mins to find people for your own key in the range you’re doing with that char.
Yeah, after Cata, I’ve been playing this game casually. I’ll try farming my own keys.
not realy, even if you use your own key, and they notice, you aint the bis spec they leave, and you start over, seen it happen my self, even for low keys where it doesnt even matter, what class or spec people are.
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I don’t even understand the people that DEFEND the current system. Why? You’re acknowledging it’s “people being ppl”, that’s it’s annoying, that it could waste a lot of your time, that it picks only the best players even if they themselves are from the bad players etc…and they’re defending it?! Why? It could never be bulletproof, but it could be BETTER. What’s the point in defending it, what’s your gain, do you think it’s better now? People can complain for such miniscule stuff in the game, but for such a major flaw…we should argue it’s better to stay in this way, why? Is it because that if it’s harder like now, you feel better if you’re on top? Like people felt bad when LFR came out, because the unskilled had Tier sets? There has to be a legit reason to defend the current system and not wanting to be better. Like they’re arguing with me for the sake of it.
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Because I want to be able to select the best players available for my key, instead of inviting a few from dozens of “qualified” applicants in the hopes of them having a good day because of it.
You realize that even if you got your Fairness Finder, there would just end up being a different, player-made system, where we would keep behaving this way? 
- People still think Rogues lack damage. Which it’s quite the opposite to that in reality.
2)m+ is in a bad way at the moment. Had it 3 times today my healer left within 30 seconds of starting.
Tbf the alternative of sitting in queue for 10-30 minutes (it’s definitely not gonna be hours) for OP is to click through LFG and staring at group sign ups as they disappear, so I think queueing is probably better for OP than LFG. During a queue you can also queue for other stuff, do professions, farm old raids, etc. During LFG, you have to stare at a small window for a long time, while being declined
Right now, even though I’m a tank, I feel like Soloqueue should be a thing, because I’ve read OP’s take, and that type of experience 100% makes people quit the game permanently.
Then you have magnitudes more faith than me in tanks and healers wanting to use such a system, when we can just, you know, not gamble.
No, many tanks will use the queue, if they wanna chill and farm gear, because there are less expectations, and they get instantly teleported to the dungeon. If people wanna push high keys, they’re always gonna use LFG, even DPS. I think people, who do +10-12, probably have a friends list as well or a guild to play.
I think the current LFG system is really bad for DPS players. However… The raiding system is also bad for tank players, because tanks also don’t find a raid easily, so there are a lot of issues I think overall. Especially as the demand of roles varies between content…
Also, if you worry about your personal experience to be able to cherrypick dps as a tank: If mythic+ dies off, you will have less people to cherrypick from, so keep that in mind too.
Blizz arent going to read this and say ‘man hes right lets fix this and roll out a patch tomorrow’
If your problem is ‘cant fibd a group now’ then join a community.
Writing a thesis on group dynamics or gane design aint going to help you do a key.
Exactly. I just tried using my own key, took 30 min to find people and the tank (the only one that signed up for the whole time, it’s insane) said he lagged and couldn’t interrupt the butterfly boss in Mists so we died 3 times, people left, that’s it. Hour and a half later, I got nothing much. This is the way to gear up for me and it’s seriously wasting my time. I was top DPS for this raid and didn’t die. But…I guess I choose the only tank that applied, poorly. Skill issue. And Yeetheart, you sound like the people I’m trying to avoid…with no empathy.
So if things continue this way, of course I will just stop playing. “then stop, casual noob, MMO’s are not for you” right 
?
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So with automated system you gona spend 1-2h in que as DPS then most likly pray to RNG Jesus to get a good Tanki, if you wont people gona quit agen after he fail multiple time and you gona go back to 1-2h que for new tank
Then you gona call for nerf to dungeon difficulty and … why they start to feal jsut like regular random HC ?
Problem is not M+ system but simple players mentality that cant be fix and fact that not meny players wona play as Tank or Heal cos its simple to much responsibility.
You can carry bad DPS , is kinda hard to carry bad Tank or Heal
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That is just Rio. 
Literally.
You know how many people have cleared a 4++ before entering a 5 ? Its too much. Or worse : Cleared an 8+ . What about those ?
There is NO solution to the problem. ANY metric you use, the end result will ALWAYS be : 30 people for 3 slots. So you have to use some way of excluding 27 and accepting 3. Rio is just a number. Any other number will be used in the exact same way, with the exact same results.
I suggested tank/healer items. That can only work if you are talented to that spec in particular. BUT… are Myth trak gear and drop on 8s.
So healers and Tanks get extra, more powerful loot and earlier. That ONLY works for them. So DDs cant cheese the system and heal their way to OP dps loot.
Nice try buddy. I’m on US.
Also, haha… no.
most good players that would also start tank and are actually leveling a tank will just pull the whole dungeon because it is so trivial.
I dont think the m+ crowd is not playing tanks because of gogogo, i mean that is the whole point of m+?
the reason people dont play tanks:
- boring rotation
- too much responsibility
- i want to be l33t dps that carrirs the group (which no dps does anyways because dps are so not important until +10 and upwards)
the only point you can change is number 1. potentially you could give tanks more dps but we have been there in the past with vengeance or what was the mechanic?
now that they make bad tanks flop even faster, even less people want to play it because now it is easier to fail and put more pressure on the tank.
it is similar to healers but generally we still have more healers available than tanks.
i tanked in the past and due to the shortage i was thinking to switch from healer to tank but if i do that now i have to start gringing ilvl again because people will not inv a 590 tank to a +3 either. so no tahnks, not the time to play another tank alt
mythic plus friend good yes join m plus guild u problem also be solved
How much faster do you think an automatic queue goes?
1.) Tank/healer shortage
2.)
People will be spread and locked all over the dungeons and levels.
the hole problem with wow is not just, M+ and lfg or what ever, but how the systems in game works, as it is now, not a single person or atleast not to many, plays the game to challenge them selfs anymore, but they play for loot, nothing else than loot and artifical numbers like raider io etc…
there is nothing anyone can do about this anymore, it is way to late and game is way to old now.
due to this, where people want more and more, the game also becomes more complicated buy every expansion, what is horrible bad, having 3 difficulties in raids is already not a good idea, becuse again of the loot, people look down on anyone who is not at their item level, even if that person probably is a better player.
same problem comes in M+, people want the best of the best, looks at raider io or your item level, and your class spec, even for low keys, what is horrible idiotical, becuse you do not need to be top geard for a +2.
So weird if i am a dps i get invited in 10 - 15 min tops. If i sign as my warrior tank i get easily invited in m+ 7 - 8 keys, as healer same. And people here they are saying they are hours in Q or they wont get invited littarly bs. oFc if u have no patience its another story.
There are like 50+ dps’ers signing for each key, competition is hard. Nothing new really, it’s always been like this.
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