The item level for Season 1 seem to be all over the place. A few key points:
- Delve 603 (few 610) vs.
m0 593
- M +9 Dungeon 613 (Hero track upgrade to 626) vs.
Mythic raid 623-639 (mythic track upgrade to 639)
The most played Endgame PVE content is M+ over the last addons.
Why do you try to “force” your PVE playerbase to mythic raid if they want to play M+ at a decent level.
I hear so many ppl around me complain about this, cause they mostly enjoy M+ at this point and dont want to hard commit evenings on set raid times.
If you make such a big diffrence in item level you kind of “force” ppl to mythic raid or otherwise fall behind in gear score.
Some suggestions:
- Reward an m+ player with an upgrade item to upgrade 1 m+ drop item from hero track to mythic track after a set amount of completed +10 or higher dungeons. (with weekly cap of 2)
- Enable mythic 10man raid, so 2 m+ groups can do a mythic raid together
- Reward higher itemlevel for higher m+ (maybe with mythic track proc chance)
It just feels very demotivating if you feel like you play a 2nd rate Endgame and are forced to play the big group content to keep up in item level.
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I didn’t read and am replying purely to the thread title because I am the worst type of human.
However, you are not forced to do anything, you play to the beat of your own drum, if you don’t wanna raid, don’t raid.
Enjoy the game in the way that makes you happy, the extra tiny bit of damage you will get from a raid trinket/weapon w/e will not ruin your life.
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As far as I’m aware it’s very similar to previous seasons. Doing M+10 will net you a mythic loot level item in the vault. Last season we got that reward doing +8s but they increased it.
| Keystone Level |
End of Dungeon |
Initial Upgrade Level |
Great Vault |
Initial Upgrade Level |
| 2 |
597 |
Champion 1/8 |
606 |
Champion 4/8 |
| 3 |
597 |
Champion 1/8 |
610 |
Hero 1/6 |
| 4 |
600 |
Champion 2/8 |
610 |
Hero 1/6 |
| 5 |
603 |
Champion 3/8 |
613 |
Hero 2/6 |
| 6 |
606 |
Champion 4/8 |
613 |
Hero 2/6 |
| 7 |
610 |
Hero 1/6 |
616 |
Hero 3/6 |
| 8 |
610 |
Hero 1/6 |
619 |
Hero 4/6 |
| 9 |
613 |
Hero 1/6 |
619 |
Hero 4/6 |
| 10 |
613 |
Hero 1/6 |
623 |
Myth 1/6 |
Delves in contrast will cap at Heroic Loot
| Delve Tier Level |
Bountiful Delve Rewards |
Initial Upgrade Level |
|
Great Vault |
Initial Upgrade Level |
| 1 |
561 |
Explorer 2/8 |
|
584 |
Veteran 1/8 |
| 2 |
564 |
Explorer 3/8 |
|
584 |
Veteran 1/8 |
| 3 |
571 |
Adventurer 1/8 |
|
587 |
Veteran 2/8 |
| 4 |
577 |
Adventurer 3/8 |
|
597 |
Champion 1/8 |
| 5 |
584 |
Veteran 1/8 |
|
603 |
Champion 3/8 |
| 6 |
590 |
Veteran 3/8 |
|
606 |
Champion 4/8 |
| 7 |
597 |
Champion 1/8 |
|
610 |
Hero 1/6 |
| 8 |
603 |
Champion 3/8 |
|
616 |
Hero 3/6 |
| 9 |
603 |
Champion 3/8 |
|
616 |
Hero 3/6 |
| 10 |
603 |
Champion 3/8 |
|
616 |
Hero 3/6 |
| 11 |
603 |
Champion 3/8 |
|
616 |
Hero 3/6 |
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I just want to state in advance (before people start pointing fingers) that as a mythic raider I couldn’t care less whether mythic raids drop gear or not.
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Nobady would do mythic raiding if you could get mythic raid gear in m+.
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Isn’t that the issue?
Why “force” ppl to do content, they do just for gear and not enjoy
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Excluding the people that they enjoy raids and don’t give a damn about M+ of course.
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No it isnt beoucse every contente is done for rewards not for fun or yoj. Gear is main motivation and alway will be. Important thing is that content is also fun while you getting that gear. Learnd blody difference between fun and pure motivation. Becouse fun is terrible motivation as reason to do content. Nobady goes into mythic raid for fun. People are there for gear while having fun.
“fun is terrible motivation”
Wtf, I enjoy m+ and play it due to that.
But if I cant keep up with ppl who raid, it deminishes the fun, cause it feels unrewarding.
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No you do m+ becouse it have relevant rewards for you. Look at how participation drops on m+ level what doesnt reward gear. It completly plumets by 95%. EVen Blizzard ltieraly told you several times that without rewards peolpe dont really bother with such content.
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Yea, it goes hand in hand.
Of course you want to play the content that rewards the best loot, but it should be enjoyable and not forced on.
With raiding it feels forced. With m+ it doesnt.
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I mean one could make the argument that 5% of raiders aim for mythic…
The gear you get from M+ and the Great Vault is fine for M+. You’re not forced to mythic-raid for gear. Maybe if you go for the .1% title? But that really doesn’t apply to most of us.
It’s the other way around, I think. If you’re a mythic raider, you almost have to do M+ to help with progressing in the mythic raid. (I’m not a mythic raider, I only do M+ and HC raid.)
Must be new its always been raid or die of you want best loot. and if you want M+ changes then delves need more loot… ie not going to happen Raid is the top content of WoW.
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Works both ways, why force mythic raiders to do your glorified Diablo III great rifts? Mythic raid were always pinnacle of MMO content in WoW if you need the reason why that content should have best PvE gear in the game.
They should have copied the system they have with PvP gear, where equipment dropped from M+ content is of lower general item level, even compared to the overworld, but goes close to max, and eventually to max, when in M+
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Honestly, I have 2 ideas to make people not feel like they have to do content they don’t wanna do:
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Make content that drops from M+ scale with additional ilvl for only M+ similar to how pvp scales
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Alternatively make people decide for one type of content before opening the vault, and the other vault choices won’t be available anymore.
I prefer alternative 2, but both would work
You can keep up. You get a weekly vault with a mythic item.
Last season -previous expansion 570 guilds killed last boss (10 k people ) . Youtube video count on last boss kill 300k~ views (7million players-accounts ) . Shouldn’t the Pinnacle encounter (last boss) be more viewed than some mythic+ guides ?
There is a Reason why Illidan-Lich King- Deathwing and up to Garrosh majority of the views count were million and now they cannot hit a half million **
Mythic Raid was the pinnacle ^^. Was in the past .
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So? That doesn’t mean it should get the highest rewards.
That’s weird logic, dude.
Also; please don’t refer to ‘expansions’ as ‘addons’. It’s also weird. 
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