You’re defending Titanforging - One Armed Bandit, Luck based type of grinding.
It’s bad enough for me to fit here even if you say you’re not against “those things”.
It doesn’t close the discussion either, it just makes it more obvious:
It’s an issue, you got items you shouldn’t have cause you genuinly aren’t interested in doing hard content, yet you got items with better quality than me who did take interest in this - but now grow tired of it due to all the muppets who defend TF/Slotmachine Casino and diminish any form of Effort or Skill anyone can possibly put in.
It’s a moot discussion, indeed, cause you just simply do not see what you’re doing, or how it’s affecting the entire community poorly.
Also going to add in the obvious which I pointed out before:
If gear wasn’t on Casino and you seemingly get geared for X for nothing;
You’d actually grow the skill to do this on mythic without ANY issue whatsoever with friends or randoms even…
It has never been an issue in the past, honestly, it’s just a very odd bracket of people that “make it” an issue cause you simply do not want to put ANY effort in ANYWHERE.
I SHOULD have them, because I HAVE them.
You don’t get to say who deserves what. You can have an opinion about it, and that’s all. It should not matter to you what items I have. It has NO impact on you and the content YOU like. None.
Same for all the tryhard ‘muppets’ who want everyone to suffer because for some weird reason they think everything is supposed to be that way. The game would be WAY worse of if it was catered for exclusively for those guys.
Thankfully Blizzard does a bit of everything. Not one single type of player should get to say how this game should be, because there’s so many different people with different tastes, preferences and playstyles.
No. No I wouldn’t.
Taking gear away doesn’t magically make me like mythics. Nothing will.
If I can’t have any more character advancement doing the content I like, I will NOT be starting on harder content, no. I will quit. Blizzard will lose my money. That is the truth of the matter. You’re not suddenly magically going to turn everyone into another type of gamer. You like mythics, awesome. Do them. Don’t pay any attention to the ones who don’t. They don’t matter to you. You do you, I do me. Deal?
Yes it was. There’s a REASON I quit near the end of WotLK. I was sick of having almost nothing to do. Everything back then was dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, raid, raid, raid. If you didn’t do that content, you could do dailies. For crap rewards. It sucked.
Blatantly not true. I’m willing to grind for months if I have to if the reward is something that I think is worth it. I HAVE done so. I’m VERY willing to put in effort. But NOT when it comes to doing content I don’t like. That’s non-negotiable. I’m not paying a sub to do content I don’t think is fun.
TLDR; You ask for free gear for no reason whatsoever cause you NEVER intend to do any relevant content anyway.
All it does is remove value for us who put effort and dedication in to learn fights, and adds NOTHING to you.
I do feel like you’re completely ignoring the fact I have pointed out plenty of times;
It DOES affect me - Cause it removes VALUE and REASON to do ANYTHING.
You get stuff for free? Why work for it?
If you quit cause they put gear you sincerely do not need nor intend to work for behind content you do not want to do, it’s not a loss for the game, you didn’t intend to play the game anyway.
You would still have a lot to do, same content would exist, just without the ridiculous rewards that you sincerely, honestly, do not deserve - cause you aren’t working for it, nor are you striving to get it per say beyond “Oh, shiny”. - No improvement from your part, just One-Armed-Bandit luck rewarding you.
Basically you are asking for everything to be handed to you, and anyone, who has no intention of doing anything above “Hit one button, Snooze”-able content.
Again; You don’t need gear if you do not intend to do harder content.
All you are doing is removing reason for it to exist in the first place, and that is a huge striving force in an RPG - Skill leading to Improvement leading to reward.
All you do now is “Reward”.
It’s not about preference and playstyles being different anymore, it’s a matter of your lack of intent to do anything is affecting Me and Others and OUR content.
It DOES add something for me; character progression.
Everyone wants and likes character progression. It’s pretty much one of the pillars of an mmorpg. So even though I don’t like the same content you like, I still think I should have character progression.
If you don’t think that’s fair, well sorry (not sorry) then we will never agree.
I’m not ignoring it, I’m just telling you that’s not a real reason. Because it doesn’t actually DO that. If YOU feel like OTHER people getting stuff ruins YOUR accomplishments, then YOU have serious problems that go way beyond a simple game.
I don’t. I play the game. I actually play the game.
I don’t afk. I don’t leech. I play the game.
It IS a loss for the game, because there’s many people like me. And if you lose all those people, guess what happens to the game? Spoiler: No, it won’t be fine.
And like I said in my previous reply; I actually play the game (just not every single part of it).
Having stuff to do without any progression is a useless, hollow system. It doesn’t work.
I sincerely, honestly, deserve them if I do the content that rewards them. Weird how that works huh?
No I’m not.
Biased (and rude) point of view. YOU don’t like that content, fine. I don’t care. I do. Doesn’t mean I don’t want to be rewarded for it. Would you want to run mythic raids without loot?
Again; from a technical point, no indeed I don’t. But this is an rpg. A game where CHARACTER PROGRESSION is one of the main draws. One of the main pillars. One of the main sources of fun. So yes, I DO need it.
Such utter nonsense.
Me doing the content I like and being rewarded for it, HAS NO IMPACT on you and the way you play the game whatsoever. None. It’s all in your head. Is it a lack of self-worth? Is it a bruised ego? I don’t know what your reason is, but the game is not at fault here. You are. Fix yourself.
Whether that is skill, time, motivation holding you back from progressing.
It’s going to have to stop somewhere if you don’t engage with the game at all levels.
There’s nothing wrong with that - that effects all of us.
If there weren’t goals that require a progression of difficulty and engagement we’d all be playing the Sims and not an MMO.
Mmm lately im avoidin at all mythic cuz i Think Arent fun. But for me putting the main story behind that isnt so wrong.
This is exactly my pov. I had many chunk of hate while tried to join the shameful sob 0 with my mage fire. But after that i was succesful in the end.
Anyway i can understand tahra and ppl like him.
tahra the thing is you are doing content that require no brain cell at all.
yes mmorpg are progression, you don’t progress you still doing the same difficulty again and again, you are stagnant in your progression, you love that system because it give you no reason to do high difficulty that goes again the progression system in a mmorpg.
when you get at a certain point in your progression you should move in difficulty not stay in the same.
I am a casual. Do not see any problem in M0 dungeon. Game is already very rewarding even for casuals. Blizzard gives free 370 gear to everyone? In what universe m0 can be hard?
370 is the new 340. I don’t like being spoon fed… I do M+8/+9, challenging myself, going against time and affixes, risking to lose…
I do HC raids, potions, wipes, disappointments, stress…
And for what? A chance for a 370 where I can get by doing an assault or a WF.
I miss those days when my guildmaster looted shoulder T5 and said ‘Aundra this is for you’! (My first tier ever) Best day of my life because I earned that!
Mythic 0 are a joke right now, everyone has got better gear by doing couple of assaults and the 2 WF.
No one is saying you shouldn’t have character progression, but when you DON’T do the content, you SHOULDN’T get the rewards, and yet you do. A “pillar” of an RPG is to GRIND for things and WORK towards them, not spend 5 seconds doing a basic thing in the world and magically getting an Heroic piece of loot.
You don’t expect to fight in a level 10 zone in an RPG and get level 30 items, do you? What you see as “fair” is the fact you’re being spoon fed things you never worked for, and you love that fact.
No, this is where, yet again, your ignorance shows. Just because YOU think that’s how it should be, doesn’t mean it IS. When most people play multiplayer games, they want to be the best, the strongest. But, when some noob sits at the same gear level as them, that defeats the purpose of PROGRESSION.
Yay, look at me, I’ve STILL done more content than you, and yet you’re now 1 ilvl above me. This free welfare, spoonfeeding bullroar that Blizzard are doing is what’s killing this game. But, you don’t care about that, you just want your shinies so you can “try” to feel like you’ve accomplished something in a game. You don’t care for anyone but yourself, which just makes you selfish.
You play easy content that should give 320-340 ilvl and you walk away with 370+. So, yes, you do get stuff for free and you don’t work for it. Doing 5 minutes of work for a 370 piece of gear, or doing an un-losable Warfront for a 370/385+ piece of gear isn’t WORKING for it, it’s being handed it.
So, rather than losing people who DON’T do the content, you want Blizzard to lose people that DO do the content? Want to know what happens if people like us left? They wouldn’t make much content anymore. What’s the point when the playerbase doesn’t play it.
And yet you’ve played since Vanilla, haven’t raided since Vanilla, yet seemed find from TBC till MoP (When Thunderforging became a thing). Seemed to work for those expansions. The difference between then and now, is now the playerbase just wants everything easy and for free.
No, your delusions let you believe you deserve that Heroic and Mythic levelled gear. Blizzard should seriously lower the ilvl of gear to max 350.
Clearly are. You see 5 minutes doing WQ’s as the equivalent to spending hours in raids.
No, but at the moment, running Mythic is basically pointless, since, you know, welfare loot get’s thrown at people who have no reasons for it.
And yet, with welfare gear, CHARACTER PROGRESSION is removed for people who do higher than LFR. People who didn’t raid or do dungeons HAD progression, but ONLY to a point (Which is how an RPG should be). Then, that LFR raider could either look in to Normal+ raiding, or Mythic/Mythic+ dungeons and PROGRESS more, or, not do the harder content and stick to the highest they could PROGRESS.
What the hell is the point in progression when you don’t progress through the game itself? You’re not progressing, you’re still doing the same rubbish whether you’re ilvl 300 or ilvl 370. If you don’t PROGRESS through the end game content, you shouldn’t PROGRESS through the gear. That’s the fundamentals of ANY game.
You don’t start a game and demand to be at the end, do you? You don’t stay in the starter zone and expect to be able to hit max level there, do you? So, why do you think you “deserve” the gear?
Yes, it does, you’re just either too blind or too stupid to notice it. You’ve been told, by SEVERAL people, how it affects them. And, what you do is turn to telling them “it’s all in your head” or
You turn to name calling. If this is the case, then it was “all in your head” about them hiding the storyline behind Mythic difficulty. I mean, I enjoy Mythics, so, we’re not “stopping” you from doing it. It’s just all in your head.
Enjoy the reports for these. You seriously can’t have a single discussion with someone without calling them names and saying they have mental health problems, just because YOU don’t agree with them.
Gross exaggeration. Why do you feel the need to talk down on content you do not enjoy almost every time you mention it? It would be like me saying something nasty about mythic everytime I mention it. But I don’t. I just say that I don’t enjoy it.
We then have a different view on progression. Imo: As long as my character can gain powers, skills etc I’m progressing. The fact that my gear can now reach ilvls beyond the content I would regularly do, is great. It prolongs the progression for me. It keeps me playing because of that. Of course it’s not the only thing needed to make this game fun (BfA is proving that), but progression is definitely important.
Of course. Would you like a system where if you wanted to get a bit of progression you’d have to do content you really didn’t like? Maybe as an exception once in a while, but definitely not the norm. And the thing is; the way YOU think of progression is ALWAYS tied to multiplayer content. I don’t like being dependant on others to get things I want. It annoys me. I want to do it myself.
And in WoW you can. Some people keep saying that single player content goes against the whole idea of an MMORPG, but I disagree. You don’t have to play with others the whole time for it to be considered an MMORPG. You share the world with other players and you have the OPTION to interact with them. THAT is what an MMORPG is and that’s not my opinion. That’s based on the literal definition of the term.
No it doesn’t. Progressing through difficulties is merely 1 of several OPTIONS to progress. And you (and like-minded people) seemingly want to force that 1 progression path onto EVERYONE. Well, sorry, but that’s not how it works. People enjoy different aspects of this game, you can’t just ignore that.
I doubt it. You’ve surely done higher content than I have. But overal more content? Spend more time actually playing? I have my doubts about that.
And that’s the whole problem isn’t it? You don’t view all that other content as ‘playing the game’. But it is. It’s part of the game and it’s just as important as the parts YOU like.
Nonsense and slander. I guess I’ll start reporting you again.
Nope. It’s playing the game. It really is.
I’d rather Blizzard doesn’t lose anyone. In a perfect world all players would be happy playing this game.
But… If I had to make a choice between losing 60 or so percent of the playerbase and losing 10 or so percent, yeah you bet I’d choose the 10 percent. Of course I would. Has nothing to do with how they play and what they like. Has to do with actual numbers and what that loss would mean for the game I love.
They might start making more content that ‘we’ actually enjoy. Income for the game would still be high, so the content will come.
Now, if ‘we’ left, income would be down to alarming levels. Then there would be less content for sure. That’s what you just don’t get. You are not the majority here mate. You’re just a loudmouth minority.
No, no I don’t. And that’s not what I’m saying at all.
When I talk about playing the game or doing things I’m not talking about doing some 5 minute task and then getting stuff and being done. How is that fun? I’d be done with gearing in no time. That’s NOT what I want.
I DO however want to be able to keep progressing doing what I like. Does it have to be as extreme as it is at the moment? No. I’ve already stated this NUMEROUS TIMES, but somehow, conveniently you keep forgetting or ignoring that fact.
It’s NOT useless if you enjoy that content. You STILL get rewarded for it. You can still be proud of your accomplishments; you DON’T need other people to be weak and pathetic for that. If you do; go away. I don’t want people like that in this game. You’re a bad human being and you don’t get any sympathy from me (Btw, if you feel like I’m calling you names here; then you just admitted to being THAT kind of person who gets joy from others being miserable and feeling superior to them).
Sigh. Not. True.
The progression is STILL there. If you want THAT kind of progression exclusively, then go do dungeons and then do raids. Don’t do warfronts, they weren’t a thing before so just ignore them. Don’t do emisarries. Just do your raids. Voila; there’s your old fashioned progression.
Just don’t force me into it, because I don’t want it.
Because it IS. If another person getting stuff affects you, you’re a bad, selfish human being who lacks self confidence and self worth. I pity those people.
But having personal issues does not put the game at fault. It just doesn’t. The fault lies with that person her/himself.
Grasping at straws are we? Haha. Stop being silly man.
And to be clear; I’m not name calling. I’m identifying their REAL problem. It’s not the game. It’s them.
I didn’t call anyone anything. I asked questions. That’s not against forum rules. I said ‘I don’t know what your reason is’. THAT is what I said. I didn’t call anybody anything.
I’m done replying too you, you’re far too gone and WAY too delusional to even have a discussion with. Go sort your head and your life out, because you REALLY need help.
Right. Deflecting onto others what your own situation is.
I would have thought that you already understand that doesn’t work with me. I see right through your simple tactics.
Anyway, I get it. I always have an answer and you just keep repeating the same tired old replies. It’s probably for the best if you indeed just stop replying. For your own peace of mind.
However, I’m fairly certain you will react again at some point, because you just can’t help yourself. I don’t think an mmo is a good place for you to be honest (and a forum even less so). Way too many triggers for you. Why would you do that to yourself?
Anyway, I made my points. I’m right. So end of discussion I guess.
We’ll get back to this point when Blizzard releases their next mythic only content (which is scheduled for 8.2). They need to learn it’s not okay.
No, you don’t have an answer, you tell people that they need to sort their life and head out because they don’t play like you do. You compared a bloody storyline behind a mythic dungeon to RAPE and SLAVERY. You’re wrong in the head.
Plenty of people have given you reasons as to why it bothers them, and you just throw the “You need to sort your head out” bullroar at them every single time. This isn’t you “winning”, this is you turning to name calling (Then get all moody and start reporting when someone does it to you). You’re a hypocrite.
Explain how you’re right? Games still going in the garbage because they are catering to the “Ohh Shiny” crowd, to the point they lose subs every day. You’ve not been right about anything, you’ve tried to force your way of playing down our throats, and then belittled us in every way possible because we don’t agree with you.
How do you also know what is a good place for me? You have no idea who the hell I am. This is just another sad attempt to belittle me, and it’s becoming tedious.
If that’s what you’re getting out of my posts, you should just stop reacting (btw, I was right wasn’t I? You couldn’t even stop reacting for half a day).
I described a certain kind of player. If you’re not what I described, why do you feel the need to react to it? If you DO feel like I was describing you, well sorry mate, but you honestly DO have problems then. And I’m pretty appaled you don’t see that.
No not every single time. Only the times when people tell me ‘it bothers me when another player gets things that are just as good as mine - or better’. That it ‘devalues’ their experience. It doesn’t. It has NOTHING to do with them. And yes, that IS a mindset. So it IS their problem and not the game’s.
Any other reasons I have either acknowledged as being a problem or I’ve disproven in some way. So you can stop with the ‘everything I do is bad’ schtick because it’s blatant lies, blatant hyperbole and easily disproven.
No, I used analogies. That’s how analogies work. You’re not literally comparing those things, of course not. And you know that, I’m pretty sure. Yet you keep saying this little comment over and over and over. It doesn’t make you right. You’re still wrong and you will always be wrong. Lies don’t become true by repeating them over and over.
Again, I didn’t call anybody anything. Making examples or asking questions is something entirely different that what YOU are doing. YOU are calling ME names.
Just for fun I’ll post the stuff you said about me in only this last post…
That, my friend, is namecalling. And a reportable offense.
I’m right because nobody has been able to refute my very logical, common sense reasons why ‘mythic only content’ should not exist.
All I see is people expressing their opinion on how they think it should be. Never actually taking in consideration that they are not the only ones who play this game. Never realizing that their opinion is just that; theirs. It’s not shared by every player in this game. We, the players of World of Warcraft, all deserve a choice of how we play this game. Whether you like easy content or the hardest of hard content; we should have the choice of what difficulty we run our content in.
That, my friend, is what I’m right about (and the basis of what this thread is about, before it gets derailed over and over with other issues the game is having atm).
Yet that’s far from the only reason. Sure, they might lose a few subs from people who think like you, but again, like I explained in a previous reply in this very post; you are one of those people who just doesn’t get it, that there are OTHER people. Who don’t share your opinions. Who don’t like what you like.
No, I have agreed with people on real issues. I have conceded to opinions people have. But I will not concede to a ‘personality problem’ being made into a ‘game problem’. And I don’t belittle. I bring people down to reality. That’s a HUGE difference.
Just like I knew you’d reply again.
Just like I knew about your problems.
Just like I know how you ‘operate’.
I notice things. I am an intelligent person and you, my friend, are pretty easy to read. I could make you blow a fuse if I wanted to, because I know exactly how to push your buttons. But I genuinely want to help you. Because I think your behaviour is not healthy for you and I’d like you to be better than how you come across. Truly.
sorry for the response delay. i not talking down about you.
you are doing the content that everyone can do in about 15 minute a day(world quest) and 45 minute+(lfr,warfront).
you are not progressing because you are not facing high challenge each time you get a item upgrade are you are at a point you should do it for getting better gear.
you are not progressing you stay in a stagnant state.
getting better gear don’t make you more skilled, challenging a foe and vanquised him and get a proper reward that progressing.
I agree with you and i cant understand it…
There is a universe where ppl doesnt want to put himself looking for a group without LFG just ONCE. not 10 but once.
But that’s it. They have just to wait blizz lower the requirement to heroic.
Well, that’s YOUR definition of progressing. Mine is different:
If my character is gaining powers, skills, item upgrades, it’s progressing.
Doesn’t matter if the content is easy or hard or harder than what I already did. If I get one of the things I mentioned above; it’s progression.
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