How many more posts do you need Blizzard to stop this ? It ruins the game for many players. You cant have a game when 1 side is having so many more tools to win. Make premade vs premade and pug vs pug so we all enjoy the pvp experience in classic. When AV rush was the case you guys changed it, even tho i play alliance and mostly lose AV now i do think the change was for the better of the game. The game should stay the same it was 15 years ago but you do have to adapt it to the new reality or it will get broken. GG
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amen brother, game is ruined with those instant noodle ranking premades, no aroma no flavor, just bland feeling . its disgusting
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Yes get rid of them already, in fact remove the possibility to queue as a group from all bg’s. If you want to pvp with your friends go do some world pvp.
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Idk, did some premading today for the first time, and it actually was good fun. Its easy to win yet at the same time still felt exciting, best of both worlds.
-beat 5 pugs, holding 5 bases
-lost to a horde premade
-beat a decent team that had like 10 guys from Venoxis and they gave us a vague challenge. 3 based them.
We’re a PVE team that never did bg together. I liked it though. It’s somehow relaxing to grind pugs, and interesting vs other premades. Our big next step would be to beat another full premade.
The other 99% of my PvP time I pug alone, and get to beat premades like 5% of the time. AB is the place to do it though, as WSG also favours horde.
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Yes, YOU have to adapt.
One simple and elegant way of adapting is to join your own premade. It’s also in the spirit of this MMORPG to play together.
There will be less premades later on when less people are ranking and more people play for fun.
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I’d rather not be told what the spirit of a game should be by someone who never played it in the first place. I’d also rather not be told what I should expect of a game that I personally played for the entire expansion by someone who only played a poor copy of it on private servers.
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WSG favours horde ROFL
You like unfair pvp dont you? Easy honor by smashing unorganized and most of the times ungeared players.
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Ok but do you agree or disagree that it’s in the spirit of this MMORPG to play together?
I rather discuss facts and not feelings based on expectations of how people believe they felt 14y ago.
The queue system in WSG/AB is authentic. You can adapt to the current situation by playing together.
what you know what is authentic when your authentic expirience come from private server rather original vanila 
smh
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I am talking about facts and you are talking about feelings.
I want Classic to be an authentic recreation of the game how it was, warts and all.
You want Classic to be a recreation of your personal experience of how you believe it felt 14y ago.
I have a reasonable expectations and are posting factual claims. You speak about feelings…
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what facts when you have no expirience to claim that something is fact in first place 
Maybe you should start arguing for removing the 10k player cap on servers then, and also the “all servers in one massive BattleGroup”.
These things were not in Vanilla.
thats not topic, stop trolling
you are a nerd
so i dont do that much PVP. but been reading about this premade stuffish…and hade a good memory of AB from vanilla so decide to try it out…
15games, 2 wins… had 1pug vs pug… 4premade vs pug… and the rest was pug vs premade… haha and manage to win 2… one was actually a pug vs premade, and the other was pug vs pug.
in many of the games there was actually alot of hi-ranking (like 11++) semi pre-made alliance players… but it was pretty obvious that they did not ever participate in any kind of pvp before… probably botted themselves in AV or something simular…
My conclusion is that the current PVP system suck…the “skill” vs “gear recieved” ratio is broken…the que system is broken, the fcking no-stun orcs are broken, the rep grind in BGs is broken, the 60sec sheep w/o diminshinr returns are broken… must admit that its pretty much a sh*t-sandwich from the beginning to the end… BUT…i will keep doing some AB and seek a coupple of fun stable fights in those 5-10min games… maybe i can bring my 3% win ratio up to 4%! what do i care ? what do blizz care? they wont do anything about it and i wont un-sub… so thats the facts!!! TY and Godnight
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Ok.
Blizzard pls remove 10k player cap and make battle groups more authentic.
Anything else you want me to do? Do you see how silly Straw Man arguments are now?
Facts are things to be known or proven to be true. It’s not an experience you must have witness yourself. The best way of knowing facts about Vanilla retail is to read patch notes. The human mind will remember things wrong and twist memories over time.
The queue system in WSG/AB is authentic and working as designed. It uses one shared queue for solo and premades. This was how it worked in every patch in Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK, CATA, MOP, WOD and LEGION. There have never been a separate queue for people queueing solo or in group.
If you are not having fun while playing pvp solo in this MMORPG you can join players on your own realm and queue as your own group and have fun.
It’s not the “current” pvp system. It’s THE pvp system. This is Vanilla pvp, warts and all.
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You do realize in Vanilla there was no such thing as battle-groups in vanilla until extremely late in the patch cycle?
you had 1 maybe 2 premades per faction on a side. if you queued into them you lose quickly and could go on your way with the next 10games pug vs pug.
so dont talk to us about authentic pvp system
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Yes! that also made the que:ing against premades more fun…since u knew the names and ranks of the other factions. so… every1 when you joined a game just “screw the bases” we are focusfiring the warlords and generals this game !! :D… now when you dont have any relations to the other factions because of crossbattlegroups etc… so i guess when u get stomped, you feel used? and exposed? (english is not my native :D, so cant really find the correct word, but hope u get the point) when u soloque into a premade. And then u get the feeling that “im paying for a game that put me in a sufferbox”… but then again… i wont unsub and blizz wont do anything about it!!