It’s not an easily defined fine line. When is it gameplay, and when obstructing gameplay? That said, I’d place a “res and immediately run a target-player-dispel macro” at a raid entrance as the latter. Fundamentally different from a battle between raid groups.
GM still made a mistake.
Being an a**hole is not a bannable offense though, if ppl didn’t want an enviroment where ppl could dispell them in contested zones then they should have chosen a PvE server. There is no way to defend the ban.
Where’s the limit to this then?
Is dispelling someone’s world buffs griefing but a lvl 60 killing a lvl 30 isn’t or?
It’d be impossible to regulate.
Blizzard if you’re just gonna ban people for using a class ability, just remove our ability to even dispell.
So killing lowbies for no other reason than killing them? Should be a bannable offence on aa pvp server? You gain no honor, they cant defend them selves. It is all in the purpose to grief and annoy other people.
If the lowbie doesn’t realise that he can just take the res sickness and go to another zone, I would say he pretty much deserves it.
If you want to debate what level of griefing is tolerated I would say look up Angwe. The guy terrorized whole low level zones as a lvl 60 rogue. There were dedicated groups that hunted the guy, but it wasn’t considered griefing on either side.
You can kill lowbies for weeks and ain’t griefing.
Full ACK, this GM has crossed the line
Yet we are being told, which issue ? It is not the management that make or made mistake nooo they aren’t humans too and can’t do wrong it’s always always the players fault yeaaaah right …
Maybe right now since the GM stopped to care but there was a time where if you were harrassing and ganking a player endlessly even on a pvp realm.
You could call a GM and they would intervene on your favor or against you and settle things being very professional, calm and unbiased :basicaly telling you one and one time only : That’s it for now you BOTH let it go, next time i check the log and got to come there will be a sanction !
It happened ! They use to care about that game ! There was blue named game master, i remember a flying gnome without mount, i don’t remember said game master name sorry it was so long ago.
Pathetic GM, pathetic Blizzard. Vomiting. He just used a skill. Your ban hammer is corrupted.
Rofl this is ridiculous.
Streamers that transmit their game live has to take into consideration that this will happen. Stream sniping or not, don’t like it? don’t stream.
Streamers are a cancer of gaming and privileged aswell.
what is stopping people who are dispelled to go into the raid anyway without the buffs, same principle as taking the ress sickness, you are just weaker then.
You still can do stuff in both cases in leveling case you can still do fetch quest even with ress sickness.
Reading through all these posts it seems that the snowflakes definition of Griefing is to commit an act for the sole purpose of making another player angry or wasting their time.
Whats wrong with this exactly? doesn’t this go hand in hand with online gaming on any platform?
There is always an noob on a racing game parking his car on a hairpin bend so everyone else crashes into him or driving the wrong way around the track trying to hit people.
There is always someone on football games trying only to foul your players with sliding tackles…
I am pretty sure spawn camping has always existing on FPS games.
People aren’t doing it because they want to upset the players, they’re doing it because it is fun. Not all will see the fun in this, but many do, including myself. To say that the only reason they do it is to upset someone is naive.
Many interactions on this game can cause another player to be upset/angry and have their time wasted. Should we ban them all? As many have pointed out this type of behavior is already here with camping and ganking low levels which is all a daily occurrence.
Some have suggested dispelling is wrong because the player has no intention of following the dispel with combat? So what if he doesn’t? How is that different from a mage casting polymorph and running off? or a rogue sapping you for no reason? should he/she be banned for using an ability with no intention of engaging in combat? The original classic player base was far more resilient than this. This is actually pathetic.
I see that the obvious solution and suggestion for the snowflakes is to go PVE to prevent this type of “hurtful” behavior, however they do not like this suggestion. They want to engage in PVP but with special rules in place such as “you can’t use dispel unless you intend to fight me”. That’s like a guy walking into a boxing gym and asking for a fight only to say that you’re not allowed to hit him in the face. When did everyone become a diva?
If you spent 2 hours pre-buffing so you can do your raid in 30 minutes and then a lvl 30 priest takes all that away from you, then it is your own naive thinking that wasted your own time. Everything goes on PVP servers.
Besides, in a lot of these situations where people are dispelling they are often in enemy territory and outnumbered 40 to 1, so only have the chance to get one spell off. Most priests open with dispell. Good luck proving that they were simply not opening.
Softies.
I wouldn’t describe myself as a snowflake; but what you say is correct. The act of griefing is to cause grief.
Absolutely nothing.
The thing that is wrong is people trying to justify what they’re doing instead of being honest with themselves and saying “yeah I just like to be a butt hole sometimes”.
Yeah… No. If the act of dispelling is fun, do you also find it fun to just mindlessly dispell NPCs?
No, you seek the player interaction.
Why is it butt hole if someone does pvp on a pvp realm? People who rolled there did because they wanted the WAR part of Warcraft. Just because they don’t want to lose, it does not mean the other side is butt hole, when they are playing the WAR part of Warcraft.
If someone is not interested in this then they rolled on Normal realm. Others who WANTED to participate in the WAR, they rolled on PVP realms.
yeah boxing have “special rules” too, like in general during a friendly sparring match, like what u described, u can agree to not go for the face, so that example was terrible, haha…
Yes, thats what I would call a PVE server. A nice friendly sparring match 
There are special rules in BGs, in duels, later in Arenas. Someone who want to PVP with special rules, should focus on these instead of no rules open world pvp.
If you’re spending your entire day just dispelling with the sole intention of pissing somebody off, you’re being a butt hole.
Again; I’m not saying that you shouldn’t dispell people and I’m certainly not saying you shouldn’t be allowed. The joy of online games is that you ARE allowed to be a butt hole.
But there’s aboslutely no way that you can flip this and say “me good person, me purge evil world buffs!”
who said this?
Yeah, well what would the RL example of dispelling someones worldbuffs be? Spilling their drink on purpose? Spitting on their shoe? 
Anyway, nobody is really arguing that dispelling should be banned. It’s just that some ppl call it griefing when it’s done in certain ways.
Like Miylee said, jsut admit that u sometimes find it funny to annoy ppl (ie be a butt hole). Consider this: If they could just reapply the buffs easily, would you still find it funny or is it related to the work they have to put in for it?