Got kicked for telling the tank to stop pulling the whole dungeon. Now I got deserter buff

[Blem-aggramar]

How is this a thing? I don’t usually get kicked from the group or chat but I told the tank to stop pulling so many (it was Stratholme and pulled the MC Wraith + all the groups around her ziggurat including the patrols). He died in less than a global cooldown. Now I got kicked from the group and I have the deserter buff. This is totally unfair and I don’t understand why is this a thing. Maybe a blizzard representative cand shed some light on this. Thanks.

[Saneko-ragnaros (Saneko)]

@Blem-aggramar

This is totally unfair and I don’t understand why is this a thing.

@Vrakthris

The debuff itself has been part of the system almost since the Vote to Kick system was introduced. It became an unfortunate necessity as certain players would urge the group, by request or by being a nuisance, to vote them out in order to avoid receiving a deserter debuff.

I believe a lot of people understand the frustration with how the system currently works. It isn’t fun being removed from a group and having to sit out for 30 minutes because that also gave you a debuff.

While I cannot speak for the Game Development teams, it is extremely unlikely that the current system would be removed. While you may see the benefits, the system does a great deal to help prevent griefing in groups, so it is functioning the way it needs to. That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement and if you have feedback/suggestions for that, I would encourage posting that and engaging in productive discussions on what you believe would be a better system. I can say with some certainty that the current system isn’t likely to change without something else to go in its place.

Proposals so far include but not limited to:

• “Just remove it” The darkest times will come back again
• “Reduced cooldowns stacking upwards” so that if you aren’t kicked often, it starts with a minor debuff.
• “Reduced cooldowns, stacking downwards” so if you’re in a “good” party, then when they surprisepikachu kick you at the end the cooldown is lower.
• “Warning before Debuff” - When you get removed from dungeon you get a Warning but allows you to requeue, if you get kicked again you get debuffed on subsequent leaves.
• “Add reporting for kicking” - This is akin FF where they investigate if someone is really, really using votekick so often and gets reported for it that often as well. WoW used to do this.

If you have a proper suggestion, you may submit it through the ingame feedback box. If it’s a new or better suggestion I may also add it to my list above :>

[Koryius-argent-dawn]

@Blem-aggramar

How is this a thing?

It’s a vote of the whole group, not a vote of a individual.

@Blem-aggramar

I told the tank to stop pulling so many

Valid reason from your side. But we don’t know what language did you use? Was it a nice approach or did you just rage out yelled at them.

@Blem-aggramar

I don’t understand why is this a thing

It’s a thing where you as a group can vote to kick someone from any instance for valid reasons. I bet you also found yourself in a group, where some guy was just standing AFK doind nothing. Imagine it’s a healer or a tank. I think you don’t hate the option then when you can kick someone like that.

I am really sorry for your situation, but this also varies from group to group. Some people will vote kick you just a part of habit to click on messages on the screen. Some people will get easily offended if you ask for something (like don’t pull that much, means for some people you’re wasting their time). Good luck with you next runs and I hope you won’t be getting into same situation very often.