I’ve been doing BG whilst leveling and I’ve come across a new stain in the community and think blizzard do need to look into it.
There are players getting to 69 getting best gear possible but playing BG’s and leaving before outcome of the BG preventing them earning the bonus exp. Keeping them at 69. essentially new form of twinking. Came across a hunter in earlier game today with 500k+ Hp and 1 shots players with a single arcane shot.
I get it they are bad and I shouldn’t let it bother me that they need to find some cheesy system to work in their favour but when it’s prevents me from enjoying the content I want to play and pay for it’s infuriating.
They must be doing it to either 1x Greif (Which is against the terms) or 2x (Exploit - somehow it fulfills there ego. Also could be a new boost system being used.)
Would like to know the communities thoughts and if this thread gets some weight get blizzards attention as tbh I don’t want to play the game tonight because of this and if it still is in the same state think it’s time I cancel my sub and look to other avenues of gameplay.
There’s no rule that being twinked, is considered griefing.
Exploiting could be possible because if they have locked XP they essentially should not appear in your BG’s but in their own XP locked BG’s I believe, which should be mostly the case.
Being twinked is not no however they are not twinked.
They are leaving early to not lvl to 70. Therefore not twinked so not in their own bracket and appearing in random BG’s for usual players levelling. Exploiting an experience system to grief other players.
Whats next,
we gonna complain that i earn more money working 48 hours than you when you work for 22 hours a week ?
This system shouldnt have been changed to begin with.
These players spent their time gearing up and you didnt- guess what ? too bad, lazy boy- you wonna live a lazy life, well it comes with the disadvantage that productive people will be ahead of you.
And its not like BGs bellow 50 are alive though twinks are removed.
Yet twinking is dead.
And this system killed it.
I honestly am absolutely sure in saying this:
Banning twinks from PvP was a mistake.
PvP is toxic, you mean to tell me its fair to play vs Glads at 1.6 ? or to meet your sorry bum at a bg on my fully green alt while you’re full BIS spaming dmg potions, health potions, speed potions and even stealth detection potions, along with nitro boots and bombs that throw you to the East Coast of Puerto Ricco ?
Hear me out and dont dare to disagree because im 100% right in this:
Takes a day to gear a twink at 80% and maybe 2 to wrap it up.
If you dont have the time to prepare for PvP - go back to leveling and skip this. Even war mode is optional.
Theres nothing sweaty about taking your time (a single f day) on your favorite bracket and enjoying some dungeon farming along with actual application of your gear and progression.
Its exactly what the game is about.
Get gear> progress > reap what you sow.
Now you get a piece of gear > gain 10 levels in matter of 5 minutes > get another cool piece of gear > oh right… it doesnt even matter because ill outgrow this in another 5 minutes> no joy , no progression> no implimentation
Twinking being restored would infact increase population on levels because it will encourage people who wonna pvp to spent some time preparing for that bracket.
You guys have grown real hypocritical and soft.
Theres NOTHING wrong with outgearing your enemy who was lazy and just wanted to get and instant gratification reward instead of putting up with progression.
And said progression isnt even long.
Again → put it through your heads, even back in Wrath days it took me a single day to fully gear a twink at level 39.
With accessability and the instant gratification philosophy- now its even faster.
Complaining about some guy who spend a few more hours than you, calling them “sweaty” is just pathetic.
Stop being lazy.
Its the same situation with the AI artists right now,
“But Im NoT BOrN wiTh a tAlent”
-Put in the work baby boy, learn to draw."
“but hurrr durr. muh instant gratification”
Dudes what are we doing?
its a pandemic of baby cries over wanting something NOW.
You cant have it- put in the f work in.
like the difference is that people on max lvl have the chance to catch up and then compete at the same powerlvl, so there ur argument from above complies. OP on the other hand complains about people gearing up below max lvl and oneshotting others and then leaving the bg early to prevent lvling up. these people dont want to play against others on same powerlvl.
use ur brain.
First. Dont call me dumb when you cant differentiate my point with the comparison i give:
I used the same logic not because im against outgearing but because i am for it.
People use the outgearing argument about twinking and im literally telling you that PvP has always been the same freaking way. You think i cant oneshot a greenie on my feral or rogue ? think again.
Let twinks reap what they grinded for.
And let those who cant handle it go back and lick their wounds and come prepared next time.
Another difference between twinking on lower level and max level is for max level you need to grind PvP content to get your gear so theres no way around facing fully geared gladiators.
But for twinking there is- > hit the dungeons my guy.
So in a sense everyone who has a few extra hours has the chance to meet the twinks at a common ground.
Id wager to catch up on max level will take you more gold and time than catching up on lower level twink gear.
So no idea what the issue is.
Infact it will solve the issue of dungeons being a little slow in terms of que time, pvp being dead anyways so theres no harm in at least trying this out, and bring more people to lower brackets.
Plus if your class is undertuned at max level you can play it on a bracket range where you class performs okay.
Options might be limitless.
these players surely not only run dungeons. they max out their character completetly with enchants and what not. people who just want to lvl with bg’s for a lil fun wont do this. and after they got oneshot they wont q again, why would they. so i dont think this behaviour increases bg participation.
infact there are twink bg’s where people who lock xp meet others who did the same. pretty sure those bg’s are completely dead.
Good, thats exactly the point of any MMORPG including WoW.
It really was counterintuitive to remove players who simply used the established and official system which wasnt even used in an alternative way.
Its almost the same like banning gladiators from playing normal battlegrounds.
It almost sounds like their problem.
As I said gearing on lower level is as easy as putting on some music for a few hours and getting it done.
Its not like this will hinder you in any way shape or form.
Also if you havent noticed people on max level, especially when you play alliance you run 9/10 times into full 25 man premades. Which result in ultimate loss. So the same difficulties you face at lower level you face a max level. PvP has always been like that.
Banning twinking was a mistake for it goes against the principles of the game itself-
which is progression of your character gear, proffesions and efficency (skill).
Also enchants are gems are not expensive at all on lower level.
It doesnt lower bg participation either. People generally have no reason to PvP at lower brackets. Which is a shame. Killing twinking didnt solve anything just created a bunch of entitled babies.
As i said- the moment your effort becomes underappreciated and unrewarded- theres no insentive.
And twinking turned into this PvE boosting community that is indeed toxic for other reasons.
Theres a reason why classic WoW realms did so well in terms of world pvp participation and battlegrounds, thats what ill say on the matter as my counter-argument.
Also im glad this happened to OP.
Now OP can grow a thicker skin and move on instead of being a total Karen the fun police officer.
Because let me put this into perspective:
-If you were 69. Leveling to 70 would put you in the same siatution because you will be fresh out of the egg.
-If you were lower than 69, you already are disadvantaged. So you argument of this being fair or not falls appart because these brackets are not fair, never were and never will be. INFACT even at max level you will not meet any fairness.
I will pop my cds on my 10k hours of rogue vs your tiny 10 hours of monk and you are already done for.
If you are a little better ill pop a 20% dmg potion and you’re still dead, because gear is still a factor no matter the scaling added to it. Im still in advantageous position naturally because as a freshy what are the chances of you min-maxing consumables and engineering on an already fresh charecter?
u mix up way too many things here.
fact is these twinks maxx out their char to obliterate others, who dont look to do this maxxing out at lower lvls with enchants and what not. like said there are twink bg’s where they could play against other twinks but they dont want to do that. they only thrive on onehsotting others. as a result fewer people play low lvl bg’s because they dont enjoy being onetapped.
since u bring up premades. ye they should be banned as well. they destroy the bg community and are of the same nature. they thrive on abusing their power. most of em are 1.5k players who are trash at the game and unwilling to improve, they prefer running over unorganized groups…
Its a sport.
If you come unprepared thats entirely on you.
You cant expect the lion not to eat you just because you dont eat him.
You cant develop your charecter without it becoming … developed.
People like the fruit of their labour as I said earlier.
And theres nothing wrong in that.
You giving them the oportunity via appearing unprepared is on you not on them.
It would be different if its an open world pvp where you get ganked- I would totally agree and even side with you.
But imagine i come in the arena on max level with no proper gear and build.
Is it others peoples fault for wooping my bum or is it mine for allowing it ?
The reasons premade should be banned- and i agree with this. Is the unfair advantage that they have to discuss strategy longer vs a random team who for the given 30 seconds in the bg loby room simply spam toys.
And the fact that they abuse the system limit of 5 man premade via Syncing , which by definition is punishable. Now that Blizzard doesnt do their job adequately is another topic on the matter. Its true but this is not comparable to twinking.
Now you contradict yourself yet another time.
Who refuses to improve- the levelers who wonna speedrun the game
or the players who take their time to develop or shall i say “improve” their toons in order to gain a stategic edge.
Something which i know i repeat myself is a CORE of the game entirely, it doesnt make sense to be different for pre-70s level.
Your take is really ridiculous.
Banning twinking resulted in items losing its value and major element of the game becoming obsolite.
Returning twinks will partially restore that.
Making leveling slower- would also have a similar effect and the two might add up.
Yes, its not fun being disadvantaged, but also its no fun to have an MMO without it being of MMO traditionality.
(progression > reward).
And at the end of the day classes have different power level as a whole and even more so on lower level- you cant come up and say “but muh balance” where there isnt and never was any even at max level, you’re faced with imbalance as i mentioned earlier ( min-maxed gear, crafted effects, gems , potions, engineering, runes on weapons temporary enchantments, flasks and so much more.
Even the gear you dont get without facing those disadvantages and moving past them.
In terms of ranking too- you will often times face gladiators at mediocre rating if we are to speak about RATED PVP.)
So in conclusion:
Theres no reason to ban twinks.
OPs outcome wouldnt be different (if hes bellow 68 lvl) and if he is 68+ the outcome would still not be different for 1 level above would put him against the same scenario but at Max level.
Yes, premading in battlegrounds should be banned instead.
i talk about improving skill wise. u only talk about gear.
ofc it does. at 70 people start gearing, enchanting, gemming and ctaching up. where these twinks look to oneshot people who aint even try to be on their ridicilous level of power.
the reason classic low lvl world pvp is so fun is because u meet others that try to lvl up on a similar powerlvl. its the most fun at the start of an expansion because there nobody twinks out thier chars ridicilously with gold from main. once u have twinks that oneshot others the whole thing is destroyed. crazy how u cant see this. u promote a type of twinking where chars are so maxxed out they onetap others that lvl on a normal pace even with dungeon/heilroom gear. if u think thats a healthy way of twinking idk what to tell u.
ur basically saying everybody that joins low lvl pvp must be prepared to the lvl of onetapping twinks. ur completely cooked my dude. this type of twinking is unhealthy and thats why blizz gave them their own bg’s… which are ded… no oneshot victims there…
ok, Uno reverso:
ofc it doesnt.
Enchants and gems are on average 400x more expensive and literally anybody even a fresh wow account with no main can affort them as well as runing dungeons for gear for a day.
vs
70 lvl gearing which requires major grind of conquest for days, facing uneven match ups like gladiators, gold farm for the crafted pieces.
So again it all comes down to laziness.
You’re at disadvantage because you’re being lazy.
And because you’re lazy you voted for the complete annahilation of lower brackets.
And effectively you see how active they are (spoiler: they’re not).
stop it already, you said this 3 times.
you need a total of 300 gold for enchants at most.
and you need a day to fully gear one.
if you dont have this amount of time - then i guess MMORPG is not really the genre for you.
You wont get oneshotted if you got gear. There i said it.
put a few hours into itemization and 100-300 gold for enchants.
Your arms wont fall off.
Dont tell me what im “BaSicALLy” saying and look what im literally saying.
You wont be one-tap’d if you look into your build and gear correctly as you should.
whats the difference between this and max level pvp.
I one tab newbies with no gear on the daily difference is max level pvp offers NO alternative to gearing so they have to suck it up until they’re geared enough to withstand whats coming for them via days of PvP grind.
and low lvl pvp offers and alternative → hit the dungeons for a spell.
Also for the sake of example if you join a 60-69 bracket and you’re lower than 65 , you already cooked anyways and bring massive disadvantage to the team.
Putting twinks back where they belong will disinsentivise you as a lower level than the brackets collectively high level and lower gear to partake in taking advantage of your own team by making them sweat for you.
And will insentivice more effort, exploring the content rather than skipping it plus as a result you will learn your character and how to build it naturally with levels progression entering newer brackets.
For example i boosted a Rogue back in Wrath days on the P server i was playing 12 years ago, i couldnt figure it out so i made a level 39 rogue, i geared it up i learned the stats, the strategies, then i stoped at 49, 59 ,69, 79 and at 80 i was so ready for pvp that i instantly got my 2.2 achievement.
and it felt so natural too.
with the same charecter i went to 2.7.
im currently at 2.4. on a feral druid of all classes.
my sub rogue is at 2.2. again not an easy to master, class.
I see that you play a zuggie zug, congrats on that 2.4 solo shufflery title that totally gets invalidated by the lack of complexity of your class.
Imagine exactly you calling me delusional where all you presented as argument was the same sentence rephrased.
“but muh gear muh disadvantage” where you’re at much larger disadvantage baseline on max level, why does it need to be different for low levels , im asking you this again?
why should effort be invalidated and lazyness be promoted?
I would understand if to gear up a twink takes more than a day but it does not.
because they’re in my way. its a battleground.
my point wasnt to flex - its just the way it is.
if you log in now on a fresh 60 with even the full starter gear you can get 100- 0 in a single tap.
its not different for any level bracket.
never was.
thats my whole point.
right. thats why u hide ur chars.
im actually r1 range on every single specc on my hidden chars. just trust me bro kekw.
ur so dumb its hilarious. people dont try to gear up twinks. they just level. and no they dont enchant every new piece of gear or keep professions to the max. thats why twinks exist in the first place. they maxx out for a specific bracket and camp that lvl to be able to clap lower geared people. they dont even want others to be on the same powerlvl. that xp locked bgs are dead proves that.
but ye keep yappin.
