i hide my characters becuase having an opinion clearly makes people go out of their way to ruin your day and discriminate you for it.
Its mainly because of RP events, not even PvP related.
Exactly , if you dont wonna slow down- just go to level 70 , takes a single day anyway.
let those who want to experience the ghost of vanilla pvp , do that.
Whats the issue ?
Then dont, enchants are not so powerful for at least 5 expansions now at lower level plus you spent the same amount of gold to transmog your character along the way with every new piece of gear.
You can also ignore all of the enchants and just get the weapon one. Its usually the most impactful one anyaway.
Thats not necessarily the reason.
Gearing has became really blant and boring, theres no open world pvp and twinks loved that, you can see that clearly they’re flourishing on classic realms and p servers.
Again lets recap:
-PVP on max level is as imbalanced in terms of gear as it would be if twinks were not banned.
-PvP on lower level doesnt require you to face anybody of a higher tier while PvP on max level does that intensely.
-PvP gearing on lower level takes a day to do while gearing a toon at 70 takes days and even weeks.
-Enchants on lower level cost pocket change while on 70 they cost quite a bit. Along with crafted gear that also wouldve been expensive if this wasnt the end of the expansion. And yet again it aint cheap either.
-If pvp at 70 is fair having in mind all of the advantages a fully geared toon can have against someone that just dinged or even bought the starter gear and the things listed above, on what ground does that make twinking at lower brackets unfair ?
Twinking is pretty accessable even if casually done.
twinking in df surely isnt the ghost of classic pvp. like dude u cant be serious.
only if u are twinking urself.
gearing on 70 takes a few days and once u have a main u simply fuel ur alt with conq boxes so then it takes no time at all to gear basically.
the purpose of the twinking is what makes it unbearable. AGAIN if twinks only wanted to play maxxed out against other twinks that would be fine. but they dont. they want to farm lower geared, thats why there are no q’s for xp locked bg’s. but i keep repeating myself. ima leave it as that.
and ye dont lie. its checkable if u got 2.4 or not even if u hide chars.
if i grind gear or rating on max lvl i could say i clap people because they are in my way.
low gears are not in the way of twinks tho. the twinks are purposely there to farm them and to flex basically…
no it literally doesnt require you to face a higher tier player to get your gear.
you misunderstand what i meant yet again.
Do you have to even pvp to get twink gear ? no, you dont.
Do you have to pvp against better player to get 70 lvl gear ? absolutely yes.
Do you really not understand logical fallacies?
Im telling you that the current logic of current pvp at max level is literally the same and it makes no sense to be otherwise for lower levels.
The reason twink bgs are dead are because of class balance, classes are too split up across the brackets and theres very little space for a wider spectrum of classes in a bracket until 55-60 and 60-69.
Another reason is open world being completely dead with no activity in terms of world pvp or general feeling. Its an MMORPG after all.
Along with the biggest factor:
THERE WERE NEVER MANY TWINKS TO BEGIN WTIH.
Imagine waiting for an hour for a que.
Newer generations of players dont even know about twinking either.
So its not something thats popular.
Check it i think even on this account i got 2.3 at least.
Cba, im objectively correct.
Thats just your own ignorant understanding and projection to begin with.
Its not a proper argument.
oke ye i did, i couldnt see u would make such an irrelevant point.
like what do u dont understand.
the poeple these twinks clap dont even try to get maxxed out to the brim because they are no twinks.
and as u continue yes, there are not many twinks. which strenghtens my point. the twinks know most of their opponents are lvlers they can flex on. so the tier doesnt matter at all.
ah ok at max lvl people purposely create characters to camp brackets where they farm levelers. makes total sense.
at max lvl there are atleast multiple opponents of max pvp ilvl on the opposite team.
the main reason why twinkin is dead is because blizz banned them from normal bg’s. world pvp is dead way longer.
stop it. u never was 2.4 since the introduction of the elite title.
Its like im arguing with a brick wall that refuses to see incosistency as a logical fallacy and on top of that the wall gets angry because its made of bricks apparently.
Brick wall thinks hypothetical scenarios and his opinions and guesses are objective reality too.
No amount of Dk shuffle spaming can elavate such a bright mind higher.
No because you dont seem to understand what twinking even is.
What they are doing in BGs is basically like a max lvl flying around killing lvl 10-40s who is in warmode.
Both go around pretending they have done an amazing achievement and feel proud because they simply cannot win against an equal geared foe so they have to do it.
Big difference between twinking and twink - abuse the system to get into BGs to one shot/ruin the bgs for everyone else. Its the same mentality with sync premades.
awfuly ugly and extreme example of something that doesnt even compare.
Though I agree syncing be it on a twink or not shouldnt be a thing entirely.
Lets turn the logic around:
Lets say you fine-tune your character - according to you guys, you have commited a sin.
Now im not gonna act like this aint a little problematic- it is. I realize that, however its not something that players on the other side cannot adapt to. Its not some extremely hard thing to achieve. And you probably already know my stance on this but i think Blizzard should allow it, and infact revoke the changes to twinks being forbiden in casual brackets.
Why? Because it will force people to adapt. It will force people to interract with the features of the bracketed expansion and gear up, and practice their spells that they didnt even use during leveling, it will boost morale at max level too because people will arrive prepared and practiced their class in a more noob friendly enviroment also BGs are already dead, worst case scenario is it gives players some freedom instead of seperating an already niche community (pvp levelers) yet another time.
It will also create a natural learning curve that players can control easily.
You struggle with a class → you level to just 29 for example- > not to many spells → not overwhelming → a nice place to focus on just the essentials-> once you done you can progress to 50 for example → do the same thing, a lot more spells > pvp scenario lets go.
Plus Gladiator Andies care only about leveling to max level asap and will cull them out of the pvp leaving only the normies pvping against each other at these lower brackets.
Another point is - it will bring back the satisfaction of your reaping the fruits of your labour and natural progression through gearing , a classic MMORPG trait, rather than skipping levels and levels ahead without caring.
I could tell you exactly what my gear was when i was leveling back in the day, i bet you dont know your leveling alts gear rn.
Anyway -thats my whole rant. I wont post anymore, i said it all.
Your logic means sync premading is perfectly fine since anyone can do it.
My logic is abusing a system to let yourself be a “twink” amongst non-twinks is the same as abusing the system to let yourself get into a BG with more than 5 members.
You have an extreme advantage over everyone else.
Your way of logic seems to be quite flawed.
Yes, im sorry I cant remember all my 60+ characters ive lvled over the years.
I even twinked back in the day as lvl 19 and 29 with maxed gear before they made twink BGs. You had massive advantage even then.
I even did 2 bgs abusing the lvl 70 gear while being lvl 61 but stopped because it felt pathetic.
In the end, you start spouting out quite alot of stuff that makes no sense.
“Lets make it possible for ppl to ruin other ppls gameplay even more but legal”
Why dont we just let syncers que up for normal BG as 10-15man raid and epic bgs as 40man raid while the other side can be randoms.
Its really a shame you’re acting dumb just for the sake of coming out right and you have to put words in my mouth to do so as well. I never said syncing is remotely okay, im actually one of the most active participators of anty-syncing, actively reporting it to the point where i sent Z*do on a break 6 times for the matter of the last 2 months.
Let it be clear I am AGAINST syncing. Your comparison and example however is not placed right and you have to wake up to this simple fact.
I dont even necessarily support this twinking thing bypassing the system either.
I said the changes need to be revoked. Twinks should be allowed to have faster ques.
Why? because effectively thats the principle max level pvp is, effectively you on your main fully geared, fully enchanted, gemmed, stacked with 10 stacks of Saltwater (20% dmg increase for 6 sec) potions, bombs (that throw you through cliffs and such), versatility potions (for 1 hour), nitro boots , parachute, gliders, 15% versa/10% hp banners and so much more ,5% mastery buff from crafted lego, Precog and other crafted items, again effectively makes you a twink when it comes to a freshly dinged newcommer, even to those who already have the starter greens, along with gladiators facing literal newbies who subbed days ago.
So if this is allowed and the PvP at max level are not seperated by leagues then twinks shouldnt be either.
That plus the hypothetical benefits were all i said.
i already told u i dont see how a few hours of building your toon up is gamebreaking for anybody. It used to cost 60 + hours to just ding 10 levels back in the day, a 1/4th of that is completely acceptable to be invested in gearing in case you want to pvp, you can simply go to level 70 if u dislike it too, leveling rn is super fast anyway but again you are met with the same principle at level 70 which brings me back to my first point in this post but i digress.
Again you bring something up that does not belong here.
The thing is. You keep saying you are against syncing based on what reason?
On what reason should twinks be in normal BGs doing the same thing as syncers do?
Both wins with less effort. Having insane advantage over the other.
But for some reason you believe 1 should be allowed but not the other.
If you remove all those sync premades there could very well be less ppl queing since those ppl will que less due to it and we have no idea if MORE ppl will que because they are gone (even if I believe so).
So because we need FASTER QUES we should allow it. Since thats your main objective with twinks.
Has nothing to do with X amount of time it takes to do whatever you are proposing.
If the lvl 60-61 can be as strong or close to as a lvl 69 with full twinked up gear sure go ahead. Otherwise I am against individuals bullying others to feed their ego.
Its faster ques due to it. Anyone can do it just as anyone can twink it. Dont even take that long to do it either considering how often they keep doing it everyday.
They’re bypassing the system limit resulting in a coordinated team vs uncoordinated team.
team A has 30 seconds to talk through
team B has anywhere from 30 sec to 30 hours to talk through from all im concerned.
Team A is a random comp generated via RNG
Team B is handpicked.
Thats essentially it.
Nothin to do with twinking.
Syncing is building your charecter up which is the CORE of the freaking game. Of this genre specifically and Blizzard and people like you effectively want to punish players like that by alienating them rewarding their passion with alienation and slow to no ques.
It has nothing to do with the example that you’re giving regarding que times and synced premades.
So you’re against PvP because as far as i know thats entirely it.
its all around ego, the meta players praying uppon the main class enjoyers.
The victorer and the defeated.
The gigachad 2.7 gladiator 3 button ret/dh/insertmetahere vs the 1.8 hardstuck casual soyjack enhancement shaman enjoyer.
The 530 item level , legendary axe, full crafted BIS stats gear, 4/5 set, full gems, 5 bags of consumables: health pots, third wind pots, bombs that act like Thunderstorm, potion for temporary 20% increase of dmg, 800 versatility buff, + 400 mastery temporary weapon enchant vs the 480 ilvl freshy fresh full honor geared non-meta player who doesnt even know any of this even exists yet.
Do you get the drift ? Im for the 12 th time implying that we have it legal its just on level 70.
I was implying that the ques for the twinked brackets are nonexistent or super long not the other way around (i dont use manipulative speech), and these players shouldnt be outcasted for enjoying the core elements of an MMORPG- > gearing and progression, and freedom to approach the game.
Twinking literally was the thing that got me into PvP and twinking was literally the way I learned to play a class i struggled to learn in a natural progression curve where i would twink firstly at 39, then 49, 59 ,69,79 and then finally at 80 I would know my class plus i’d have saved honor and i would have already be meeting the 80s at common ground (80 because it was during WOTLK times), where i would buy my full honor gear right off the bat.
So I really think theres a way to impliment twinking in a fun non-so disruptive way, though admitedly players could just adapt against them even as they are and could also make low level bgs more rewarding too.
And even as me twinking, people who were not twinks but payed attention to their gear and were of decent skill, often flapped me.
And those twinks are bypassing the system that should prevent twinks from joining normal bgs. Seems to be something you dont understand.
Sorry but no. You dont need a massive ego to play PvP.
The difference between a “good player” and a “bad player” in terms of ego is massive.
Ive seen several ppl ganking lowlvls back in the day, I changed to my main and corpse camped him instead for hours until he got fed up and relogged to spam whisper me. I didnt have any ego based on that.
I just did what they do and they started crying.
You dont twink at lvl 70.
Thats some very weird way of saying “let me do what I want”.
I answer based on what you write, so you can feel that I am “manipulative” in any way you want.
So basically you want twinking to come back because you felt it was fun but you were not one of the good twinks so you got flapped every now and then.
If you want other ppl to have fun against “twinks” then everything should be scaled down so twinks only have at max 2-4% higher dmg output than the rest. You still have the advantage but you dont have massive advantage.
Atleast you did admit its because you have been twinking and feel its fun so you want it back.
twinking is more toxic. it has very little to being better at a game or more knowledgeble the mechanic of sitting a lower lvl bracket to dominate vs poor peasants leveling by hitting them 20 yards in stealth with a 1shot is nothing but toxic
OK man, i know you, ive seen you even on Tik Tok and youtube. Big fan.
You part of the twinks thought, anything you do is literally the same.
the gear difference ,the crafted gear, gemmed the consumables, the class you picked, gliders, bombs, potions, the 800 versatility buff for 1 hour and runed weapon with 400 mastery for 1 hour
Its the same story its just not on low level so we can pretend as you faced your equals.
I mean im not against that at all, its just you’re delusional about it.
If you think you being on your main with 10k hours played, overbuffed and overgeared vs a 10 hours in , non-meta Andy who subbed yesterday is not the same as a twink against a ill prepared normie in a battleground setting at level 69, i dont know what to tell you
I love how my post was flagged though i used no insults towards anybody, apperently people who condemn the ego, have it in abundence.
I love how the other guy didnt stop calling me “dumb” “low iq”, shamed me for my rating and so on and i didnt bother to report him because - im here to have a discussion not to act like damsel in distress, yet my post is being removed for saying “dont use the IQ insult, you’re not in a good position to use it”.
And we talk about abuse of system mechanics yet my post was flagged though it contained nothing like that.
Why are you guys the way you are, do you really not realize that being right is not always the right thing to be ? do you not realize that you can disagree with someone and move on without this person being perceived by you as an enemy ?
you can also hate someone and still want them to thrive ?
why are you like this ?
Im sure amazon sells recorders , where you can listen to your own voice a few times a day.
If thats the type of communication you want.
its not the same, try getting all these buffs, they will do u no good at max lvl pvp, they are like a 2-4% diff, having them or not having them does less diff than having an extra clearcasting proc, they are just a plus
its not like i am 20 times stronger than w/e i encounter and see him in stealth at 40 yards and kill him pressing only arcane barrage because i have 20 times their stats
for example, u will never see me killing low levels
