These things bring nothing to the table in terms of actual gameplay, but good luck not using them and losing about 10 % of your damage or more. This is especially a problem for smaller groups.
The problem is either everyone has a group buff or no one does, and i would much rather have none. Since all classes bringing a debuff or a buff has it’s own problems.
If the reason you bring a class is purely because of a group buff, and you couldn’t think of some better utility, that doesn’t have the downsides group buffs have, that that’s a fail in my book.
And the thing is, the classes that bring the best buffs and debuffs are the ones you already wanted for the most part.
Sure sometimes i say blizzard did this really well but that’s the point?
The point of the forums are to provide feedback on what you don’t like or what you think can be improved.
So if your “feedback” is, why so negative. I would just ask you to get out, because it’s frankly a waste of time.
And it just sounds like a vindictive comment because i don’t agree with many of the things you say.
I tend to get on people nerves because i have opinions, and feel very strongly about them, i’m also right though. And i actually think about what i say.
Most of the time that people disagree with me has more to do with the fact that they either strawman, or misinterpret what i said because ultimately they do not agree with it. And that’s fine, you can be wrong if you want to.
Group buffs and especially debuffs are super fun! Magical debuffs + mage warlock runs etc are fun. Same for other setups.
The fact that many people do not KNOW the synergy/ understand them is what has to be changed. Get an understanding so you don’t need to complain, but can leverage it in M+/ raids.
I don’t really understand how anyone could ever put group buffs and super fun together, when all they do is just give you some strength, or make you do some more magic damage.
Completely passive, literally irrelevant for gameplay, but you better have them! Or lose 10 % of your damage+. Sorry, explain how they are fun exactly based on these facts?
Because i don’t get it, and when you say it out loud, it just sounds absurd.
Imagine saying, you have something that doesn’t really do much, but you better have it because otherwise you’re gonna lose out on performance, and that’s fun, like what?
They are not for you. I’m not classic Andy but they are fun for me. It gives unique feeling for me while playing for every class while not affecting gameplay in general. It gives diversity. Buffs are kind of utility and it’s fine. There is no negative aspects from them. You write your subjective feelings not the facts.
There actually are a lot of negative aspects and i already pointed out a few.
This isn’t about subjective feelings on the matter. This is about the objective reality of what buffs and debuffs like this bring to the table as opposed to the problems they cause. And they just don’t bring anything that is even remotely fun, to justify keeping them.
And no one is saying that classes are the same or would be the same, would an enhancement shaman be the same as havoc if they removed brand? Did you even think about that shift?
Like do you guys ever stop and think about what you actually say? No offense, but come on.
Bro, leave, give up, move on,
the buffs debuffs literally are amazing since you can make good comps, as a fellow dh you dissapoint me, remove per say our debuff, we loose 5% dmg, and so does everyone else who has some magic dmg, and also any reason to bring us to content the moment we are tuned slightly down, you have like no brain, we would literally not have been able to play all of shadowlands if we had no debuff, especially in raid as havoc.
Bro, leave, give up, move on,
the buffs debuffs literally are amazing since you can make good comps, as a fellow dh you dissapoint me, remove per say our debuff, we loose 5% dmg, and so does everyone else who has some magic dmg, and also any reason to bring us to content the moment we are tuned slightly down, you have like no brain, we would literally not have been able to play all of shadowlands if we had no debuff, especially in raid.
Because it allows even specs that are trending down to bring something to the group, and get considered, over just having Ilvl or top dps on charts, and gives each class a unique sense they are bringing something to the table, you are just objectively wrong, and it saddens me you cant see it, I don’t expect much from alliance players, but complaining about your own dmg debuff is just cringe.
