Usually don’t care too much about this but these guys were too careless to even hide it => let’s make as many as possible know about it. I also may have posted this completely off but it is possible this is my first post on the forums so bare with me please.
Joined a pug for LoU HC, realizing first after Rik that there were a few guildies from the guild -Cant say their name apparently- hosting it. The RL, -Cant say his name either apparently- rolled a few numbers over me on the Reverb Radio, of course it sucks but hey maybe next time. Inspecting his toon, seeing he has already two better trinkets.
Inspected a few more toons from his guild and lo and behold, was it equipped by their holy paladin who rolled below me.
I pointed this out to -Cant say his name either apparently-, shortly after this I was kicked because I do too low damage (I dont blame them, I do low damage). They made sure everybody in the raid were aware of this before kicking me.
Chatted with the 2nd tank, his trinket was also stolen from him from Stix, and he left/was kicked shorly after pointing this out.
Nothing more, nothing less, just wanted to share my experience with the guild -Cant say their name apparently-. If I can prevent you from join a pug with them, mission successful
I wish they brought PL back, if only to stop people complaining about who they think deserves the gear more. Everyone deserves loot in pugs, people complaining about this are just salty they lost the roll.
I have removed the guild and character name, until I get the confirmation. I will turn to Reddit as well then where censorship isn’t a thing hopefully.
And please tell me how it is not to ninja an item, when you need it but it’s not an upgrade and you do not intend to use it. I may have been of wow for many years but I doubt that the meaning of to ninja something, changed very much.
They specifically changed loot spec before the boss so they could roll on it and give it to the paladin. You also had your chanse at winning the trinket, someone out rolled you, thats all. Also this has been a thing since WoW began, having your friends to roll on items you need in order to boost your chances.
Ninja-ing is when you roll on something that was pre-established as that you shouldn’t or ML-ing it and not distributing.
And this is why I want personal loot back. I fundamentally disagree that if I want transmog or whatever I should be lower priority than someone who has lower ilvl.
And in pugs, unless some loot rules were made clear for the run, it should be a free for all.
Nice mental gymnastics pal, but I fail to see how the hunter changed his loot spec for the trinket.
Just because “it’s always been done” does not make it less shady and disgusting. And I feel sorry for you if that have been your experience. From my experience this behaviour has never been tolerated, always been called out when it has happened.
I can agree on the definition of ninja and that I was a bit off. But saying that what just happened to me is fair and square and is perfectly normal is just wrong.
The boss took a team effort to beat. Each member of that is entitled to roll on the items they drop, what they do with the items afterwords is their own bussiness and not yours. You are just salthy that you lost, happens and like you said maybe next week.
Also were you kicked because of low dmg or because you were making a stink about it in the chat? Be honest.
“Ninja” was when someone (most of the times raid leader) looted the item by switching to master looter, and taking the items without a roll being made.
In your case, that dude had the same claim to the item as you. He spent the same time, he did the same bosses, and he chose to be there. If you feel that you are “owed” that item it is on you.
And there goes our opinions divided. If it is an upgrade for you, then you need. If no one else needs it, you may need it for offspec. Else it’s a greed roll. Simple as that, it was ALWAYS like this 15 years ago - at least from my experience.
If I knew what the looting turned into, I 1) wouldn’t have made this post, and more importantly 2) wouldn’t have started playing again. I don’t have the time to join a guild, I only have time to pug stuff. But whats the fun when you now always compete with unfair odds.
I will from this day, if I after tonights consideration will continue play, press need on all items I can, even if it is straight to vendor - because I, even If I do low damage, am participating in the team effort. I mean a 100g is a 100g, what does that mean that a fellow player gets a nice upgrade right?
I didn’t make a “stink”, I whispered the raid leader and told him, by word (if remember correctly):
Me: “Needing for your guildies isn’t very nice”
Him: “No it isn’t”
Me: “:)”
I was kicked due to low damage. And I am fine with that. These kids for once feels superior to other humans when they are logged in, so if I could let them wear the big boy clothes and rack down on me for low damage today, so be it. Those clothes are ripped of very quickly once they log off.
Idk if I should argue this or just watch others do it for me and enjoy my .
Anyways, I don’t think you will get a lot of support on these forums or on reddit my guy. Rolling on items for your friends/guildmates has always been socially acceptable, I really don’t see the issue here.
And our opinions differ and thats fine. I dont believe he has the same claim, since it is no upgrade to him. I guess toxic kid mentality ruined the looting system.
Our opinions do not differ, yours and blizzard’s is.
With the group loot system they specifically designed it so that people can roll need on everything apart from the specific gear they already have and be able to trade it in all scenarios.
What their guild is doing is not a misuse of the system, it is how the system is designed. Blizzard WANTS for groups of friends to run the raid together and be able to help each other with loot.
Nah I’m done, I sincerely wouldn’t have made the post if I knew better but seems things (looting) turned out to be wayyyyy worse than it was back in the days (it wasn’t spotless back then either).
And again, we apparently come from different experiences I can tell. In my prime days (2006-2011) heads were rolling if someone was caught doing this. Only way to clear your name was to name-change and if you did this when in a reputable guild you were often kicked.
My guy, I come from vannila as well. Nothing has changed since then, rolling on items for your friends has always been ok as long as it was really for them. Usually if people got sus they wanted to see the person who you traded the item equip it and once it was done it was fine.
You keep bringing up toxic kids but you are the behaving toxic and immature.
Blame Group loot. Giving away items you dont need and all that all went down the drain with the switch from personal to Group loot.
Now even in lfr people will roll on anything they can to then try and sell said items.
Now, I’m not saying that never happened with PL, but it was very very rare whereas selling loot in the current loot system is very common.
Additionally, rolling for your friend is fair game. I’d do that in a heartbeat and I couldn’t care less what any pug thinks of it.
What I am interested in is what you said in the chat. I have a feeling you are omitting some stuff.
But thats not what he complaining about. He joined a semi guild run and is upset that the guild rolled for their paladin. With PL they would have given the trinket to their guildmate just the same.
Definitely, yet with PL it was for some reason way more accepted that your loot was yours than now. As soon as that list pops up everyone thinks of those items as theirs already and all it has caused is a complete free for all with 0 regard for others.
But as I updated in my post, I have and will continue to, roll for friends. I never win though.
Ofcourse, my statements are only with regards to lfr and pugging. For guild groups I don’t think GL or PL make any real difference because you regulate loot wherever needed either way.
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