So today I was in a UBRS grp and 4 ppls with mc gear were without a guild, their guild had disbanded.
Not only that but 2 of my friends who were in seperate guilds also had their guilds disband because they were struggling on razorgore and firemaw.
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And this is worth a thread in forums because…?
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The general discussion forum is a place to discuss various topics about the game, it’s not only a place where you whine or report bugs.
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Ye but your topic doesn’t sound like a discussion atm.
If they disband because of a few wipes on specific bosses in the second bigger raid of classic, maybe it was inescapable?
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Im just noticing a trend recently where I join instance groups where people stacked with epics are guildless. It seems like this week many guilds are mergin or disbanding for some reason. I doubt guilds disbanded that easily in vanilla, week 2 after a new raid?
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Well the community of classic was never like in vanilla. Who still thinks classic is a copy of vanilla with #nochanges has some serious issues.
The biggest change made by time is the community spirit. And sadly Blizzard can’t fix that and they don’t even want to try to fix this.
That’s my point of view.
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MC is a place that can essentially be 25-manned at comfort, 20-manned when pushing it.
It goes without saying what happens if you put 40 ppl in there, especially if only half of them are clueless.
Not only is BWL a step up, but also the classic Hype has faded, and guilds struggle bringing up the 40 ppl you should optimally get.
So naturally, after wiping for a bit with 30 ppl on Razorgore, some guilds decided to split up, and divide numbers among existing guilds.
Nothing too strange about it.
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What is also important is that Vanilla saw a constant increase in player base, gradually increasing from the 300000 players at launch day up to the 5Mln ppl existing at TBC launch. So fresh people joined the guild as content was released.
Classic is the opposite. Some 4 mln people online at launch day, and since then ever decreasing numbers across the board. Makes it a lot more difficult to get a guild going!
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if your guild is so bad that you can`t clear BWL, a raid thats easier than a retail 5 man heroic dungeon, you really should disband.
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Its OK to blame Blizzard for alot, but blaming them for not being capable of making a timemachine is alittlebit farout.
You can buy a classic Porsche 1980 mod today, in top shape, but you cannot expect the roads and the traffic to be like in 1980.
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A lot of guilds are struggling at the moment. It isn’t because of BWL’s difficulty, it’s because a lot of guilds just can’t get a full raid team.
My guild for example, lost half of our raiders over the christmas holidays.
BWL isn’t the destroyer of guilds, the holidays are.
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Its not really the holidays, its just that classic is a HYPE and subject to die out. This opposed to true wow that only grew numbers 2005-2010.
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I’ve also seen a good amount of geared people simply disappear during those months, which is problematic on some items.
Yeah, it’s the attrition, as well as MC complecency. Luckily my current guild was able to clear BWL first week, with a few wipes on Vael and Firemaw. But I am on my third guild in Classic, and they didn’t fall apart due to drama or arguments. People just stopped showing up. Stopped logging in without saying anything.
Even my current guild only has the numbers to form a reasonably balanced 40 men raid because as many as a half of the memebers of my previous guild applied to it over the month before bwl.
And I expect things will only get worse over time. We might be down to single digits of raiding guilds by the time Naxx opens. Classic is like Elves in Middle Earth, slowly petering out, with a sense of poetic inevitability.
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Of all the people that left my guild, only 2 actually quit the guild. The rest just stopped logging in (albeit, the more important ones were decent enough to tell us why they werent logging in any more).
Of the 2 that gquit, one left because our guild could no longer raid at the level he wanted and the other left because of drama.
…I know you forum readers like drama, so here’s what happens. Mr Dramaqueen bought some runecloth on the AH for 900g. Yeah, he was one of those idiots that actually pressed on the 900g runecloth stacks and bought one. He then rants in g chat about it, to which we made fun of him.
Like really, he wasn’t tricked into buying the runecloth, he just didn’t pay attention when reading the auction house. Needless to say, he wasn’t impressed with his “loves runecloth” guild note.
A week later we had to pug members to MC. A pug won an item he wanted (because you don’t demand pugs abide by your loot council), to which he ranted and left.
I don’t think it’ll get that bad. But what you have to consider is that some servers had around 200 raiding guilds. That’s about 8000 raiders. Classic was bound to have a huge drop off period, there’s no way that it was ever going to keep as many players as it did through the first few months.
Naturally with so many players leaving, lots of guilds simply merged. Most guilds merge, but others; like yours, simply disband and then their core goes to a different guild.
I’d estimate that my server, Firemaw, would have around 20-30 guilds (both factions) that’re able to raid Naxx. Whist its true that Classic is losing players fast, more people will come back and stay longer as more content is released. The reason I think that, is that Classic’s other content is much more enjoyable than Molten Bore.
Maybe there is too many guilds . Decreasing amount of guilds is a good idea 
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I must say I totally lost will to raid BWL when news about 42 min BWL clear came up.
It just felt totally demoralizing, while I had attended almost every MC raid.
And guild also suddenly faced very low raid signups, maybe others have same issue.
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You should work on your passive agressive attitude, be like your nickname 
To OP :
There are not many players who can lead 40 man raid, sometimes its just too much to handle ( i have never lead 40 man, but tbc and wotlk 25 and that was enough for me ).
I think that most guilds stick together because 2-5 people who does the raid leader heavy lifting. Remove this strongest leadership players and whole guild will rumble.
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Dude, Classic Ragefire Chasm is harder than retail Heroics dungeons.
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He means the “heroic” (former normal mode) raids.