Gul'Dan or Lich King?

All of them are unpowerd(but given blizzards 0 crap about consistency i see them retcone Dragon Souls events and giving them there powers back)

The keepers aside the one’s who are fighters with something along the line of movable not entumbed Bolvar LK(that would be something like the Wrath LK,movable frostmourne menace) are lower tier in 1v1 fight.The Wild god’s are a joke,and they are nothing more then Freyas creation to hold off the spirt part of Azeroth.

Now the elemental lord’s could be the one on the list that overpower him.
The simple fact is we still dont know what the hell is in the helm of domination and if blizzard will look more into the Death realm that they are still holding secret.No one still know’s who da hell released Vol’jin.

Also a final note there is an interesting corelation what do they intend to be the diffrience between the death and spirit realm we know off.Ie the wild gods and all off the death takers we encounterd so far lk,helya,eyir,bwonsamdi…

How again was Xun able to fight Lei Shen who was stated to defeat the lich king in a 1v1?

Also Alextraza > Lich King when it comes to necromantic powers.

In war of the ancients a stone copy of Alextraza did as much damage to the legion as a wild wild god.

And wild gods can be Lei Shen level = bigger lich king

Arthas’ mastery of soul magic is far superior to Gul’dan’s.

I would say they’re roughly equal in terms of magical destructive capability, but while Gul’dan has mastery of fel, Arthas has mastery of so many more schools of magic. Blood, frost and death being the 3 main ones.
Also, Gul’dan is reliant on his magic to protect himself, due to his broken body, while Arthas is a walking fortress and significantly stronger.

Rune magic includes souls as well, both offensively and defensively, so Gul’dan cannot consume Arthas’ soul. Generally, rune magic is broken against anything else that’s also magic.

They can both summon support at will, however, it’s been confirmed that demons can be raised as undead, despite that their soul and bodies get sent to the Twisting Nether.
Infact, there’s living proof in the game.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rottgut

Don’t think there’s a possibility for Gul’dan to even stand a chance.

Rotgut is not a demon. He is part demon.

We have no proof of the scourge being able to revive demons. They can’t even revive worgen or naga.

Which magic destructive feats does Arthas have ? None.

Which ? He never studied magic. Nerzhul only knows void magic and shamanistic magic.

Arthas wears a weak armor, which in the novel didn’t help against fel magic. He couldn’t even move

Again Alextraza is a nobady nowdays.Her days are over.

Again if Les Shen had it hard time with Xuen,just proves further more how the levels are scuffed when it comes to fight’s.All of the Wild god’s where made a pure joke in War of the Anicents and during the Cataclysam events in Mount Hjal without the interevantion of the PC none would do anything against arbitery Flame elemental lutenents,and somehow Xuen should hold his ground against empowerd Lei Shen,who wiped the floar with Ra’den who was blessed alongised Odyn from Aman Thul.Its just inconsistent and left for self impartation.
And i believe that the LK alongside Odyn,Nzoth and the Elemental lords is the most powerful entity left on Azeroth.

Who also had a depression , and was attacked from behind.

Doesn’t matter. It just makes the lich king weaker in comparison.

You can’t ignore official statements just because ingame something happend ( before this statement ) which doesn’t fit.

But I don’t want to force the official lore against your head canon. If you think what you think. Be my guest :slight_smile:

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The only offical statment is the Xuen and Lei Shen fight,with more then tons of backing where Wild gods where made pure joke in comparison to Flame elemental lutenents,or misserable Legion lutenents.
Not just that but the recent events from Vol’dun Sethralis sacrficed her self just to put Mythrax to sleep…while the PC characters wipe the floar with him.
No it’s not me who is disregarding profs its looking you right in the face with multiple quests in game where Wild gods where made a joke,enslaved from mear mortal hands.
Point being the LK tops any wild god.All you have is one against 100 of exampels where wild gods where usless.Not to mention Cenarion was deffeated by Grom,who drank deamon blood and that’s it.Cenarion that suppoes to be upper tier Wild god.

Again feel free to disagree.But WoW history proves otherwise.

Arthas defeated Illidan although Illidan was powered up by the skull of gul’dan.

Makes me think LK >>> gul’dan

Truth be told our timeline Gul’dan was a joke compered to the Wod version.But as i said in my unedited first post the LK would top our timeline Gul’dan with eass.But the Wod Nighthold Gul’dan would wipe the floar with the Wrath LK.
From the audio book’s we got from Legion by the time of Nighthold,Gul’dan was blessed with more power by KJ,and he had Ilidans Soul to burn…But the PC is strong :slight_smile:
I would say the Wlock PC is the strongest entity cuz he saw and defeated it all.

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Fair enough, i didn’t think we would use all this AU stuff.

That said, why would the WoD gul’dan be stronger than the original one ? Didn’t play back in WoD and missed much of the expansion lore.

I edited my post,the audiobook’s explain it from Legion.

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Lich king!

You speak of justice? Of cowardice? I will show you the justice of the grave and the true meaning of fear

Gul’dan got zapped by illidan and bested by adventurers.
Lich king needed to be weakend servel times then it still turned out he was toying with us at top of ICC.

Also the recent Vol’jin quest line Bolvar threatened the PC to leave the Frozen Throne or they will stay there.Doubt he will do it just for the sake of it.

Lich King obviously. Lorewise both Paladin and Death Knight are stronger than warlocks. And Lich King was both.

Gul’dan doesn’t care if the scourge run wild… There doesn’t HAVE to be a Lich King.

Worgen and Naga are purposely made to not be risen. Worgen are only resistant to not being raised, the Lich King himself can actually do it, hence why you can be a DK as a worgen.

Rune magic is his source of magic, and it’s what’s used to use blood, frost and unholy magic. Void and Light are considered to be the strongest forms of magic, and death is considered the only true enemy of void. Rune magic directly allows you to use death magic, to your own limits potential.

Are we talking about the fight vs Illidan? Because he was not the LK yet at that point.
Rune magic, which he obtained after becoming the LK, is a direct counter to all other forms of magic.

Where did you get this silly info.Fel is by far the strongest off all.Fel empowered Sargeras wiped the floar with all Pantheon.And if Illidan wasnt joking around he would have crushed Arthas back then.Same as the WoD Gul’dan.Not to mention KJ and Archimond are the strongest beings we defeated(thats one of the Lore guy’s confirming it during Blizcon) where all fel empowered.
Now dk,are all strong and powerful with there rune(some WoD theorycrafters said that rune magic is the strongest ways off applying magic) type necromantic magic.I would still list dk 2. maybe 3.cause of DH and the demon/fel inside them.

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Frostmourne… hungers…

Chronicles state his last attack was with all his power if iam not wrong.

Wrong. Arthas lost 2 times to illidan and had 2 times nerzhul save him by using random hit on a laughing illidan .

Which lore ?
Any source ?

You can be a deathknight as worgen because you are a arugal worgen and not a gilnean. There is a big difference. No one can raise normal worgen.

The book stated he got the full power of the frost throne for the fight.

Let’s not even start with frostmourne. Probably one of the weakest rune blades made by demons.

Apocalypse pushes a random guy on guardian level and destroys worlds.

Frostmourne biggest archievment was killing saurfang jr.

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Could you give me more context on this ? I mostly remember the Warcraft 3 scene where arthas defeat Illidan when he tries to stop arthas from reaching the Frozen throne.