Basically in the Arthas book, they fight. illidan plays around ( he is not duelwilding his weapons) and they are even.
Illidan than goes more serious and body’s Arthas. But Arthas gets a random magic hit on illidan and almost kills him thanks to Nerzhul.
Than illidan starts using magic and Arthas is trapped in fel fire and can’t move. Than illidan as cocky as he is , instead of burning Arthas, he walks up to him and BAM RANDOM MAGICAL Nerzhul hit.
Not exactly like this , but this is kinda how the fight went.
Illidan was in skill and power far above Arthas. But Arthas had 2 cheat hits + Illidan was playing around to much.
Edit : Illidan is far more powerful than he is shown. When we fought him in his raid, he was at maybe 1% of his power and almost dead since he just did a really power rul ritual beforehand. And he still was able to defeat the raid
If it was DK Arthas, then Gul’dan might have a chance. but Lich King has a knowledge of various magics (shamanism, void/shadow , blood magic via San’lyn , frost magic, and based on our DK being created in his image he also should possess anti-magic after the fel burn in Illidan fight he ultimately won) on top of melee paladin training from Arthas & Bolvar.
Gul’dan has just fel, and he was a criplle. Anti-magic shell > Death Grip > Stab fight is over.
Also, the Gul’dan in Nighthold was empowered by Archimonde before his death in WoD, then he prepared ritual to bring back the soul of a mad titan into the vessel of Illidan which enhanced him even futher (we basically see him evolving due to Fel influence as we fight him).
Basic LK vs Basic Gul’dan, LK wins.
LK actually managed to kill PC’s and we were only resurrected by Tirion lol, Gul’dan was bested after multiple power boosts.
Actually, Frostmourne can raise Worgen; It’s the Val’kyr that can’t.
The playable Worgen from Gilneas are the same strain as Arugal’s - Those Worgen which you first fight in the Market Square and which infect Josiah Avery are from Arugal’s pack.
https :// wow.gamepedia. com /Frostmourne List of Souls,defeating Uther,Sylvanas,Antonaidas from that list proves couple of pointers about Frostmourne.Plus it one shoted Saurfang.
the paladin was limned in a glowing, brilliant light. Not just his hammer, but his entire body, as if he himself was the true weapon of the Light that would strike Arthas down.[…]The Light–he had turned his back on it, had betrayed it. And now it was exacting retribution through Uther the Lightbringer, its greatest champion, infusing his old teacher with purity of its brilliance and purpose."
It’s almost as if the Light itself decided to come down and use Uther’s body to put an end to Arthas’ acts.
But then Arthas gets saved by a : “Had he grasped the sword without realizing it, or had it leaped into his hands of its own volition ?”
Oh wow. Again random plot armor saving him from being destroyed by someone with more skill and power.
It’s almost like Arthas never won a fight because he was stronger / more skilled but all with pure luck.
Sylvanas ? Do you mean the elf which got her rank , not because she was the best choice , but because her sister refused ?
And Antonidas wasn’t killed in a 1v1 if iam not wrong.
It one shoted saurfang Jr. who had no magic at all. Protecting him.
Arthas biggest feat is defeating Illidan in a 1v1 by being lucky 2 times and defeating Saphiron with a undead army.
Hard to describe the Shamans.They are pretty much the opposite of DK given the new cosmology of the universe,not like it was in the past and believed it was Light opposite to Death.
Where as Dk’s use the entropic versions of Death/Spirit the Shamans use elemental spirit to commute with it.But the problem again is we still dont know anything about the nature of Shadowlands/Realm and the Spirit realm.
This whole debate would switch then into the Primordial forces/cosmology war.
With no armies? Tough call. At what stage is Arthas at in his ‘development’? Has he only just put on the Helm of Domination? Is he as he was atop Icecrown Citadel at the end of WotLK? Gul’dan, at his peak, absorbed all of the power that was meant to open the Legion’s portal to Azeroth in the depths of the Tomb of Sargeras. This was dealt with in a VA narrated story - and in this state, he was terrifyingly powerful. Apparently the amount of energy he consumed was akin to ‘an entire lake of Fel’.
But! For the purposes of this fight, I assume we’re taking them both from their respective raid encounters (and tbf, Gul’dan did get a power boost during this fight as well). I think the results will vary depending on the following factors:
Where is the engagement set?
Who gets the drop on who?
How distant are the combatants from one another?
If the fight is in a neutral flat grassland, they both notice each other simultaneously and they’re a respectable distance apart (120ft?) then Gul’dan wins. The Scourge were created by the Legion - the Lich King was created by the Legion - and Arthas + Ner’zhul were afraid of Kil’jaeden. I’m not saying Gul is on the same level as ol’ KJ, but we’ve seen from the novel that Arthas appears to have limited resistance to the Fel.
That said! All Arthas has to do is hit Gul’dan once with Frostmourne and this match is over. This blade one-shot Saurfang’s son, it one-shot Mal’ganis - hell, it one shot an entire raid of Azeroth’s greatest heroes! Would it be impossible for Arthas to win the above scenario? No, absolutely not. But I think it’s probably skewed 70-30 in Gul’dan’s favour. The closer Arthas starts? The better his odds. For while Arthas has powerful magic, Gul’dan is THE quintessential Warlock and he just simply outstrips the Lich King in this regards.
Edit: Of course, the more one plays with the variables I listed, the more a fight can be skewed one way or another.
Eh, the Lich King is at his most powerful when he controls the Scourge, that’s the true threat. By himself, he’s not as powerful as people seem to think. I’m having a hard time thinking of an answer really. Assuming it’s WoD Gul’dan vs Arthas, then it comes down to how weak Arthas is to fel. Gul’dan can keep his distance, as is seen when he instantly incapacitates Grommash, an elite warrior with ease.
Let’s say this: if it’s base Gul’dan, I’m giving the Lich King the win here. But, if we’re talking about mega-hulked up Gul’dan in nighthold, I’m giving the edge to Gul’dan instead. It’s really hard to say. Neither necessarily counters the other, and both rely on others to do most of the fighting. If both have their armies, then Gul’dan wins with ease. The Legion is vastly superior to the Scourge.
You know what makes me think.What did Putricide come up in his lab in ICC.And if anything we saw the LK is good at forshadowing,and he was pretty much making a valid asumption that the Legion will try and come for him.
The Demons as an army are immune to pestilance and undeath,but ironicly the LK has Banshes at his disposal and could MC demons(lol).Also we are not sure how powerful the Shadowlands/Spirit realm can be,and how big is his domain over there .
Problem is that the Legion is infinite, while the Scourge is not. Banshees and valkyries are also expendables. Gul’dan has pit lords, massive fel reavers and millions and millions of felguards and other demons at his service. The Scourge’s ranks would deplete fairly quickly especially considering that demons can’t be raised as undead.
The Scourge is very powerful against mortal armies, since the soldiers they slay will boost their own ranks. However, against immortal armies, the same tactics don’t apply. The only weakness with the Legion is that with such a huge army it takes a while to get all the demons to one place, but even then they wouldn’t all have to come at once, since with each wave of demons more and more of the Scourge would fall.
It’s pretty much the Tyrandi Necron scenario from W40k.But i do think the LK was making Putricide cook him something against demons.
And i dont know about his summon ghouls power how wast exactly it is(remember the wrath gate,or the Halls of Reflection,and the DK abbility) they pretty much summ them out of thin air,and in huge numbers.
Also saw couple of US post’s regarding how fel or necromantic magic(rune magic) could possibly deal with fel.Think is Legion also has Nethrazims and they are a cocky bunch.