Guys I have a morality question and I need to know

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Human behaviour didn’t change all that much since…I don’t know…hundreds, thousands of years.
At least not in many core social behaviours, including the habit to priotize personal benefits.
But you can be assured that most rogues play rogues because they like the playstyle, not because they think stealth is super duper OP. They get steamrolled enough by other classes, too.

I think we can all agree that the specific example (“nobody should play rogues because ‘dishonorable’”) you mentioned is absurd.

People do take the game personally to an extent and allow it to influence their emotional state, this is why they rage in group chats or at least scream at their screen, I think most of us have been there at some point and can empathize.

But few people generally expect strangers to abide by their peculiar tastes half-heartedly masked as moral standards. I think attitude of your friend screams massive entitlement (read: prick) and his opinion can be summarily dismissed as that.

Your buddy acts like the kids back in kindergarden that got upset cause only they can be the red power ranger.

I play lol for a long time I know what certain people think it says about you when you play teemo or shaco. It’s all rubbish it only speaks about how childish they are

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The age old “debate”: Does comics/movies/video games make ppl [insert word of choice here].
No.

But that doesn’t mean the way you act in a game never tells anything about you, or makes you more likely to act a certain way outside the game.

Games (comics/movies/etc) are fantasy, and sometimes it’s fun to fantasize about being something you’re not, and sometimes you’re just an annoying prick.

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I’m not entirely sure I know what you’re talking about.

If you mean griefing in game then that is never ok, even if you are the nicest person in real life.

If you simply mean that you friend doesn’t like other classes having certain abilities then that is just silly. Or, let me re-phrase. Each class has it’s pros and cons and I’m sure everyone who plays a particular class would love to have some abilities from class(es) they don’t play. But the point is, each class is balanced around what it can do.

Should a rogue be able to stealth and vanish?
Should a mage be able to blink and iceblock?
Should a druid be able to shapeshift to help with specific mechanics?
Should a Death Knight be able to use Death grip?

I could go on but the answer to the above is yes, as they are mechanics given to them to allow them to face the challenges presented to them by the game.

Your choices in a game can say something about the real you, yes.
What you describe tells something about your friend for example. Allot of things can be described as annoying depending on which class you play. A rogue might think that your friend using bubble is annoying. A crazy rogue might also think it is dishonourable.
So if your friend wants other people to just walk up to him and auto attack so that he can kill them, it just means he is so full of himself and cannot stand losing in a game. Him painting it morally, as in it’s their moral obligation to get killed by him, just takes it to a whole other level.

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I remember trying gank paladin as rogue in vanil once, we fought maybe 5min and once he ran out of things to do he press bubble and used hs on it and emoted kiss to me :man_facepalming:

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No. That is the short answer.

Example: ME. I occasionally Gank players. And I am a proud parent of 2. Haply married in a healthy relationship. Got a job. Earn a living. Go to the cinema. And never had an car accident in my life and last time I got drunk was in 2009.

But ganking is so much fun. :smiley: Was incredibly more fun when people could not just fly away.

Then tell your friend to L2P. Teemo can be countered. As can a rogue in stealth.

And when you gank the ganker is when the real fun and satisfaction begins. :slight_smile:

Oh yea it does . What race you chose , what class you play , what gender , how you transmog your characters , what activates you do in game and how you do them .
All of these speak about the type of person someone is .
You say it is just fun . But why is it fun ? Because YOU find it fun . And YOU find it fund , because you are a certain type of person .
Now the real question is if someone is ready to admit to themselves , that they are that type of person . And most people cannot , because it would not be acceptable due to social or phycological pressure (even in their own minds) .
No one sits behind the screen but you , and what YOU chose to do is of your own doing .
Any action that you chose to do , reveals a bit about what kind of person you are .
The problem when interacting with others is that the sample is just small , so people (like in real life) can surprise you . Don’t take it too seriously if someone likes to play a rogue . Or do PvP , or something else . That person could also be a swell person to chat with . And then again they might really be the kind of trash you take them for :smiley: .

I for one don’t trust paladins . The class itself feels like a hypocrite and everyone that takes it too serious , feels like such as well . I mean doing damage in a bubble . CMON . Honorable holly warrior sitting in impenetrable magic bubble so he doesn’t get injured , while killing others , in the name of holy mercy . YEAAAA . Hypocrites every last one of em . :smiley:

PS : Please keep tanking and healing my dungeons , paladin players .:smiley:

So are you saying Im a goblin in real life if one of my 11 characters happens to be a goblin hunter :stuck_out_tongue:

I think that logic has bit flaw as someone like me might play every possible combination of races and classes and looks you can make in a game. So what would that then tell of me, that I have 100 of personalities? These are just pixels of video game characters in a fantasy game, they dont say anything of the person in real life unless they say otherwise.

I see my characters from 3rd person and the only thing that would reflect me in real I guess would be the “alignment” as Im usually something between neutral or good in a video game, I cant be pure evil but the pixels of a character can be anything the fantasy game can provide us and Ill play it if I think it fits some theme I have in mind for the specific character :smiley:

I haven’t read all posts except the initial one, but my own experience is that people who prefer (role)playing characters with… let’s call them “underhanded” abilities are people who care more for reward than experience. And again according to my own experience, these players prefer games that put players against each other (without it being necessarily PvP) over games that promote co-operation or building. They’re also the most likely ones to ragequit over a session of playing Monopoly or refuse to replay in the future after a single session of them not winning.

That’s just shallow thinking .
Lets take the scenario where you play every single character of every single combination .
What does that infer of the person behind the screen ?
Many characters mean a lot of time ? Are you playing alone or with a bunch of people on the same account ? Why ? No job , Home Job , Young age ?
Why repeat everything hundreds of times ?
Why are you playing everything instead of sticking to fewer things ?
Many things can be inferred from just that .

If you play 10 characters , than why these ? Why goblin hunter and not an elf hunter ? Male or female ? Why ? Funny transmog , or serious transmog ? What pet do you have ? What color is it ?
All of those things mean you consciously made a preference over something else . That is what your character speaks of you .

I have no idea what you just asked me but Im pretty sure being able to differentiate video game characters from real life is not counted as “shallow thinking” :joy:

Because its character inspired by dungeon boss named Rixxa Fluxflame from Motherlode. Ive had many hunters past 20 years of many races and spec combinations similarily with some theme I have in mind for the character. And same counts for pretty much every original class there has been since vanil.

Its the same old debate that occasionally see made that people would resemble their video game characters which just doesnt hold any grounds in fantasy settings or any games in general. If one see video game characters in a game they should not assume anything of the person based of the pixels in the game we see.

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Are you saying I’m not a blood elf female IRL!!! How dare you!!!

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And why?

Esthetics say nothing about you. Its as if you claim that liking the colour red more than blue says something about you.

It dosent.

Or maybe he chose a hunter because 20 min earlyer he saw an episode of a series he liked with a hunter for example.

So many reasons to choose a toon. But trying to tie them to personalities is dumb. Like astrologues or de dudes that heal with minerals.

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Healing crystals? We should not tell it to the earthen dwarven :smiley:

Dwarfs in the horde are dumb anywais… :smiley:

Orc is the only superior race… everyone else is our food.

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Debatable.

The choices we make in games sometimes reflect our personalities.

This is a long discussion and I’m not sure I can prove my point in a few sentences but I will try.

Behind a main tank and a main dps there are two different types of players.

The tank player (usually, there is exceptions to everything) enjoys a leadership position, being in control of a situation and the responsability that comes with it. They are usually methodical, they enjoy planning and executing.

A dps main is more of a person who likes to enjoy themselves and some of them are adrenaline junkies. They love the thrill of beating the damage metters, some are dedicated PvPers and they are generally people who like a good challenge.

The healer player is generally the “support type”. They love to assist and feel empowered by being an indispensable part of the group. A lot of healer players are not the competitive type but they are really good team players.

Yes, I know this is a gross generalisation but I think it works for a majority of players.

Games are meant to be played however one sees fit.

Correct

As far as in game behavior goes, if you are being a prick in game, you most likely are in real life as well.
A good guy will not go around abusing other players because he simply doesn’t find it fun.
PvP doesn’t count because it is a mode where one engages voluntarily, therefore it can’t be considered abuse.

There is no such thing as “dishonorable” and “cowardly” when it comes to picking a character/role/class/etc. You pick what you find fun for one reason or another, be it theme, gameplay or other.

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For me playing as a scoundrel is actually an opportunity to be what I view as my real life opposite. Evil, cowardly and break rules (not actual game rules, but rules of a “fair fight”) whereas in real life I am neither and actually quite adamant about following rules.

I’d say in real life my alignment is Lawful Good whereas ingame on my Rogue I play as Neutral Evil. I gank people when they are low on health, dismount people when I can and stalk them in stealth waiting for them to use CDs that might prevent me from landing a kill. That being said, I don’t camp and I don’t kill lowbies.

So no, I don’t think people behaving “badly” ingame have to be bad people in real life. Though to me behaving badly means being rude, toxic, killing lowbies and sabotaging others gameplay and isn’t about whether you play an “annoying” class. That being said if you want to annoy other players ingame, Rogue is a good class to do so.