You started it.
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A mistake of mine, I assumed there was a reasonable amount of consensus on that bit.
While also assuming there wasn’t a reasonable amount of consensus regarding what Mogi said? While I agree that we don’t always judge products of art based on the moral/ethical life of the creators, I find it’s a different topic when it’s about such a thing as wow where we’re constantly required to put money in the creators’ pockets to be able to play and enjoy the game. Had it been a one time purchase it’d probably be a different scenario, sort of like how die-hard Harry Potter fans who also condemn J.K. Rowling for her terf-ness still enjoy her works but from now on refuse to purchase anything new she puts out.
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Whilst that is somewhat true, I’m still not willing to give said people money to play it, otherwise I’m technically funding this to continue happening.
WoW may have become a bad game over the years, but RP has kept me subbed and I still want to continue RPing, but if it means I have to pay a monthly sub to a company that let this happen for years, I’m out 
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See u next patch.
Im still going to play the game, even if its only for the hard working people who are suited in the company deep below those of umbags who were involved in this mess
Looks like Blizzard have started to despawn the Afrasiabi NPC from the game; something tells me they’re going to try to throw him under the bus and escape the situation.
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He’s likely going to be the scapegoat for the whole thing, at least as far as public pr goes. Hopefully more heads will roll though.
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I do agree that unsubscribing just for this reason isn’t at all a moral imperative. And having roleplayed in WoW for almost 13 years, I know what it’s like to have an established circle of friends and a sense of community in the game. It’s hard to abandon that, and nobody has to.
Thing is, people have already been unsubscribing for different reasons, and this development is going to cement their resolve. For many people it was the lackluster gameplay and story of Shadowlands, as well as the content drought. For me it wasn’t a complete deal breaker, but it meant I’ve spent the last few months using WoW for absolutely nothing but RP. But then activity in my RP community, as well as RP activity in general, kept getting lower and lower. Finally, when I saw the Sylvanas encounter cinematic, I found it too much. That was the moment the official WoW story died to me, and that was when I resolved to stop supporting Blizzard with my wallet.
So, in short, I had already decided to unsubscribe, and this new development just gave me another reason to stick by that decision.
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Yes? Because of the examples I brought, aswell as the fact that it’s counterintuitive to appeal to the consensus of the opposite side when you’re the disagreeing part of an argument that appeals to consensus, and in that case Mogi was the disagreeing part.
This is a fair point.
Hopefully this investigation, aswell as the charges that shall follow, will begin to change the environment at Blizz.
Aren’t there like, five or six?
He had a fair few in-game references, wonder if they’ll scrap/rename them all.
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Yeah, I was reading up on it just now – at least two NPCs and various items. I reckon he’ll get thoroughly purged from the game.
Hopefully he won’t be used as a scapegoat to put a lot of abuses under the rug. I would never expect that from a company that abuses people constantly.
I think that’s what their army of lawyers advised them to, after that PR fiasco of a response yesterday
I simply thought you pointing out his use of “we” came off as a bit hypocritical, but no hard feelings.
I related to this a lot. I’ve already been unsubbed by then, but that was the last straw for me. Like someone else mentioned, blizzard is really working hard to make me not want to come back.
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This, we actually had a talk with my best friend abot Blizzard during midsummer after Sauna. We had a dream of one day attending a Blizzcon and seeing all the devs and being part of that roaring crowd, back in 2010 or so.
But the past few years, let alone now? Hell no. It’s sad.
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Me and my friend had the same dream and at one point pre-COVID were hoping to fly out to the US to be at the next expansion announcement, despite our mixed feelings on the game as a whole we still wanted to be part of that just once.
Not so much now.
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Yeah I get that entirely. I was lucky to attend BlizzCon in California for the first time in 2019, and despite the Hong Kong stuff had a wonderful time and met a few devs who seemed very nice.
Working on WoW at Blizz one day was admittedly also a dream of mine for years, until a few years ago I started reasoning with myself that Finland is a great country to live in, would I really want to live in the USA (especially with Trump as the president at the time)? And thinking about all the things I’d have to give away in exchange of working on assets for the game, I realized I’m probably much happier staying as just a fan.
As a fan I have much more freedom exploring the setting and sharing my creations with the community. And let’s be honest, I’d have to vanish from the AD rp community as well or stick around anonymously because people would treat me as as Blizz employee, not as just another passionate roleplayer. And I’m attached to the stories I share and take part in with people from our server.
There’s other reasons too, the above are just a couple of why I personally more or less gave up on pursuing ”a dream project” somewhere far away. A dream project doesn’t necessarily equal better quality of life.
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I too once hoped to attend a Blizzcon together with a friend, but these days… no, not anymore.
This does make me wonder about a lot of the “old guard” who left to do their own things who’re now in similar positions of power. Will they continue to perpetrate such a terrible work environment or were they largely uninvolved? Will they speak about their experiences and time in Blizzard or will it just be silence?