Modern US frat culture could probably be likened to a factory floor, but instead of manufacturing products they assemble sexual harassments and rape. It’s a depressing google journey with quite a lot of studies if you have the time and alcohol for it.
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Ok then tell me, for example:
Is it okay to upset somebody in workplace?
Is it okay to make somebody uncomfortable at a workplace, intentionally or not?
Is it okay to break the norms of a job’s work culture, or go against commonly agreed goals?
Let’s just start with these three, because I think the point will be made fine all the same.
Good, keep doing that, we’re agreed on all those issues, as I said earlier:
I actually know quite a bit about this because one of my colleaques in the international leadership master’s program did her thesis on it (and presented it really well), which is why I got curious about the case originally.
But, thanks for your reply.
It is odd that a lot of people say that they don’t feel the title “Blizzard sued over frat boy culture in workplace” is enough when frat boy culture is probably as depraved as it gets when it comes to having a bunch of dudes together.
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Didn’t know that drinking at work and crawling between cubicles to harass other workers would not be upsetting, or uncomfortable, in another part of the world
I am not sure why you are trying to shift the conversation to a completely irrelevant topic when this one is about what happened in Blizzard. You don’t like it? Cool, that’s what majority don’t like, but don’t proclaim that such culture should be accepted even in the slightest degree
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That’s four now.
Depends on the culture, surely?
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why would you guys expect boush the trump supporter to have good views on sexual harassment
for real
p.s. please stop quoting him I don’t want to see his words ty
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Never said any of those things, I just asked you a question because you stated, and I quote:
…When, there clearly is. Yes, obviously (as has been said a million times already), all the (accused) things are extremely wrong and reprehensible, but to make a sweeping statement that “there is no nuance in any situation”, as you said yourself, is just not wrong.
Workplaces having uncomfortable moments, upsetting people and/or making difficult choices is not only welcome but a necessary things. And people get upset about different things, hence, there is nuance. There is obviously no nuance in sexual harassment etc, but since your point wasn’t them but all things as you said, it’s not the case.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I didn’t shift the conversation- You accused that I said something I didn’t. You started it, not me. So, as I said originally, instead of being obtuse and intentionally misinterpreting what I say (or anybody else says) when all of us have agreed that we disagree with all the wrong things that are supposedly happening in Blizzard?
2020 has been over for 7 months now elenthas you have to let go
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I think Boush (and Roj?) were replying to different points; there’s no need to put in their mouths things they haven’t said and try to accuse them of being things they aren’t.
Let’s not project legitimate indignation against illegitimate targets.
You did; person you are defending - didn’t.
Which is weird to me, but yeah, I cannot expect anything else
Let go of what? I’ve seen enough people quoting him to know that he’s not changed at all in the intervening time.
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The power levels are super ninja hidden
Yeah, it absolutely does! If the culture is god damn horrible and awful (as it is at the moment accused to be in Blizzard), then hell yes it should change.
But in other cases, such as a housing complex business I used to work for during summers, part of the job culture was that people were mega busy, impatient and sometimes rude because everybody was under so much stress because they had so much to do- And it wasn’t even a resource problem, just the fact that you couldn’t sometimes plan ahead for the intense workloads we sometimes got.
Nothing was wrong with the culture, so if I tried to fight against the current I’d surely just been more unhappy. Instead I became part of it and had a great time, so much so that I was hired again the next year.
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My eyes flare red as I pour liquid nitrogen on my keyboard in preparation for the heat i’m gunna type.
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There’s something wrong with that to me.
If people are rude, it often ends up with people not wanting to engage with them which makes things take longer.
For real tho. It ain’t -that- hard to change how you behave around other people. Me and my friends still laugh at obscene stuff (Mostly jokes about eachothers dangly bits and stuff like that. Yes we are manchildren.) around eachother. But we also tone it the hell down when we are around other people who might not be comfortable with that stuff. It ain’t that difficult.
You don’t need to spit out every single foul thing that comes out of your mouth around everyone.
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That’s what a lot of people go through, and why a lot of people don’t bother trying to change even if they are victims. It all balloons up and then explodes in macabre fashions, like this one.
Yeah, that’s a fair point. I on the other hand looked at it as:
“These people don’t mean it, they are just mega stressed and rather than making a fuss of it I’ll just bite my tongue and I know by the end of my shift he apologizes without me even needing to ask for it”, which was the case.
But equally you could be right. Maybe I should have brought it up. Who knows. All I can tell it worked for me.
For sure, but sometimes going with the current and trying not to fight windmills is simply the better choice. Not always, but sometimes.
I’m pretty sure my discord server full of IRL friends would get cancelled in a heartbeat but we don’t go out and stir crap in public.
For the majority of folk its not hard to read the room.
So who are we blaming now for shadowlands being bad if the frat boy morons were too busy cubecrawling instead of working on it?