I was looking forward to see what changes they would bring for havoc in the next patch, as I’ve been seeing a lot of good ideas forums. But is this literally it or have I missed something? * Havoc
covenant and small leggo buff but mostly thats it yeah
Isn’t this a great reason to buff it? Like wtf is this reasoning. Fking mind boggling.
People dont use it because its poop atm.
And yes this buff alone will not save DH.
Do you know DH mister bad troll ? This buff is to a talent which is really specific and make you use mobility to DPS. Try this on sludgefist.
And, if we take this talent, we loose glaive tempest which is one of our strongest skill. So no, this is not a solution AT ALL.
Why do you even reapond to this troll 200ilvl DH in troll shamans disguise?
Start gettin used to ubc, it’s better on both st and aoe than glaive tempest according to the latest sims 
Seriously, guys. I’ve been playing Unbound Chaos and getting ready for it. It does a lot better than I thought it would. I’m using it in everything at the moment.
Is there a macro to make felrush stay on target or in 1 place? …I really dont want to felrush myself off platforms or too far from target which i tend to do.
Also i dont see this being possible on sludgefist without killing my chain partner.
Otherwise i might just take the loss or actually level a rogue or something.
You won’t play ubc on sludgefist just like you don’t play momentum on that boss. Those are dead talents for that specific fight
lol Sludgefist argument is great…talents are crap, noone plays it and should be deleted cause 1 boss in 10 negate the dash 
amm thats why we have a choice of 3 talents so its not always the same boring 3 buttons.
Im actually glad they are buffing UBC, on the subject of killing yourself…rush is what 10y or 15y? some such, just mind your surroundings, if you are managing to run out of puddles, swirlies, fires etc than im pretty sure you can rush in a direction where you see you wont kill yourself. Its like saying -> remove ground mechanic cause i might accidentally stand in fire and kill myself cause im too concentrated on tracking my on cd skills.
Maybe not everyone enjoys playing like a living superball. Glad you enjoy it i dont.
I dont see other speedy classes using their speed for dpsing eather.
hence the demonic talent…ugh they should really just make 2 distinctive specs instead of builds…but than again ppl would complain that momentum spec is ahead of demonic and they dont wanna play it etc etc.
Noone is forcing you to play momentum except Raidbots sims and Details meter.
What ppl dont get is, lets say in 9.1 blizzards buffs momentum, naturally everyone will start crying cause it sims higher not realizing that if you mess up on momentum your dps plummets while demonic doesnt care if you sometimes overcap some fury as long as its not 3k of it.
So on the same fight you as demonic might deal lets say 4k dps constant and someone on momentum may deal 4.5k ooor if he launches himself off the cliff he will do 0. So its on you if you wanna deal safe dps or you wanna dash like an idiot.
Same thing is now with CT and CA…you want stable not so rng dependant dmg youll pick CA…you want rng youll pick CT. Your choice. Hence the 3 talents. Not all of us are Avade or Kib or Trill … just play what you want to play not what someone else wants you to play. Unless youre hardcore than you arent playing havoc as it is and the point is mute.
To be honest even if i play with this newly improved fel rush skill i still wont take momentum. Ill play with demonic with it. Problem is its already hard enough to get into pugs i really dont feel like rushing left and right constantly.
I wont ever play momentum thats for sure. Hate it with passion and i personally think its one of the worst class designs in this game.
no worries, noone forcing you to like momentum or play it. I personally think its one of the best things they implemented after rogues mop speed dungeon tmog set. It brings dh complexity to a whole new lvl that none of the classes have -> managing your surroundings as part of rotation.
imo as a general rule, if you have to deal with pugs deal with them on your own terms aka make your own groups. Thats the only way of dealing with them unless mdi all of a sudden implements the use of all specs and classes which is not gonna happen or some streamer suddenly starts promoting dh play.
its the same crap as if you are arcane mage (tho arcane pumps), prot warr, shaman dps in general, ret pala, demo locks or hmm locks in general, feral druid etc etc… i might put some classes that may have removed their stigma but im pretty sure none of them get an easy pass while pugging
I’m same as you, though I am playing Unbound now and loving it.
Vengeful retreat into a fel rush works well, also aim your rush at 10 or 2 o’clock so you cleave by it. Not all encounters will be suitable. You can rush into walls and it works fine. I’ve found that playing unbound has freed up a lot of fury for chaos strike (with the CT belt) and I run the talent to reduce the cost of blade dance. Still play demonic however. In PVP I have a nice burst phase I do with Fel Rushing as UBC is about to expire into another immo aura, into a hunt and a follow up rush. Causes a lot of panic.
Problem is you trade what left of your self-healing and your mobility for complexity and damage that you will have anyway.
Unless Demonic goes away all together or become baseline it will be default best pick 10/10, especially now with all defensives gutted as they are.
I v done a lot of Tests on ptr.
So what we are going to be like:
What it looks like ATM on PTR:
We will be great tomorrow again. Trust me. Just go switch to necrolords.
I’m not switching to necro. Ive upgraded everything on night fae and im NOT doing it again… I’m not grinding another covenant again.
So, how the necro goes in pvp/pve? Worth to change? And please is CT viable or better switch bw for all content. Thx