Havoc DH requiring more skill than most other melees nowdays

Yes I’m sure it takes alot of skill to mana burn players in every stun and otk people with the hunt still, yes.

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Imprison lasts longer and can be dispelled. It can be talented to immune damage, healing and dispels.

But yeah, same spells.

You also did quite a few mistakes on the rest of your post, you assume that everything is the same in PvE and PvP it seems which is wrong, but cba pointing everything out.

You need to work on your credibility.

So it’s worse. Thx for the correction.

I am sure we can make some room for it in between mandatory darkness pvp talent, mandatory mortal strike, mandatory reverse magic against spellcaster heavy comp, mandatory fly against melee cleave etc.

Care to elaborate ? I doubt chaos nova secretly last 15 seconds in pvp, sounds like you are just blowing hot air here.

If you can’t kill a class that flops in one stun with defensives up before your healer’s mana become an issue, or you can’t counter the one ability it has that can kill you Idk what to tell you.

Why dont you go do it if its that simple?

Why arent there tons of DHs at high rating having success with it?

Idk what to tell you, but you just changed the context of it from “rotation” to defensives, you clearly play a DH and this is now a pointless conversation since you had to change context entirley from what I said to defensives (?) which they have more than enough selection of defensives too??? but whatever floats your boat I guess :stuck_out_tongue:

Involves playing an alt of which I have several in the works already! also of which I have no interest in primarily due to the race choice :slight_smile: don’t get me wrong it tempted me but I’m not interested in playing an elf if I can help it.

The subject was never rotation, it was how much skill the class requires to play which encompass both rotation and defensives, aswell as other things. Unless you think arena is standing still doing your pve rotation ofc. You will notice for example than when talking about rogues I mentionned things like ccs.

If its one thing I learned from Forums especially is that no matter if high or lower rated, people are such extremely biased children.

Just take a prot paladin and enjoy your free duelist rating seriously :stuck_out_tongue: demon hunter can play with holy pala or prot pala very comfortably, primarily cause of the paladin but still. And yes mechanically IMHO theres nothing skillful which puts them above any other melee, if anything their rotation is very simple and still beneath some other melee in PVP.

Since you can make the use of defensives argument for any class minus warrior / ret atm with wog & d-stance

I’ll give you credit for one thing however, like alot of specs. Havoc DH is in a very sad spot and the only realistic fix in long term is probably a re-design or a “borrowed power system” since their representation in competitive is pretty sad.

A spec that has only a mediocre kill attempt every 1m 30 seconds while having nearly to picture-perfect kite when that isnt available and focused is not harder to play than WW, Arms and Ret which all enjoy an overloaded kit, extreme pressure and utility?

Yeah, right, sure.

Or, in simpler words said:

A spec that is B-tier will always be harder to do well than one that enjoys the freedom of extreme overloadedness that is for example Arms currently as an S tier. :slightly_smiling_face:

In both BfA and SL all the DHs I have faced have always had room for it. Ask them.

It’s better if talented, and even if not as long as you use it on the healer, as it can be dispelled but lasts longer so you just need not to be facing a DH who plays reverse magic into another DH (and they don’t) or a SP that you can’t kick.

Well actually since you want to talk about Chaos Nova… as you can see on this video, which is the first one I found when typing “DH pvp shadowlands 2vs2”, Chaos Nova lasts for a full 4s. The video is short, he uses it twice, you’ll find it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XhyC7afZk

And what did you say about Chaos Nova ?

So you said it lasted 2s, when it is a lie.

Oh and you also say Leg Sweep is 3s ? Lets look at another video, again !

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ4crAf3Cy8

Oh, so if you pause at 9:14 RIGHT when he uses Leg Sweep, it lasts for 3.9s ON AN ORC TARGET WHO HAS A 20% STUN REDUCTION !!! Which, in case you are bad at math, means that it lasts 5s.

Do you need me to point out more mistakes or is it enough hard evidence for you to understand that you were claiming uneducated lies ?

Imagine being this arrogant when you contradict people saying Chaos Nova lasts 2s when it is 4 (might be 5 actually I didn’t check if it was on orc targets in the video and I don’t remember), saying that Leg Sweep is 3 when it’s 5, and that Paralysis and Imprison behave the same way. The nerve. You spit lies, or reek of ignorance at the very least, and act as if others were to blame for it. Disgusting.

DH have 0 synergy with someone, this class was born as Legion promote choice for 12 y old kids. He is viable when he is broken, even then his representation in 3-s will be low.

DH is pretty weak …those who disgaree has obv never played dh in pvp!

“My friend told me…” Sure I am gonna face a dobble melee cleave without rain from above, or not run darkness+it’s legendary which every good dh does, or mortal rush or mana rift which are both win conditions.

Other than that your little yt presentation doesn’t retract for my basic argument although I was using the tooltip durations of the abilities, leg sweep stuns does last 30ish% longer and is free to cast unlike nova. And since we can throw in talents it also has a shorter cd. So sweep > nova, thanks for splitting hairs.

It’s not about “my friend told me”. The talents DHs played on the BfA AWC are available to public I believe, and these tournaments are the highest level of play. Go there, and you will see.

Also if you don’t understand why it is valuable to have an instant cast Cyclone vs a double melee, I can’t help.

And that caused you to be factually wrong.

Being not effective as others is not the same as taking more skill to play.

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Demon Hunter will never be complex or hard to play, it was literally on the powepoint at the Blizzcon where Legion was announced that they were supposed to be straight forward and easy to learn.

Demon Hunter is supposed to be non-complex by design, just having your passive 50% leech revoked is just being brought back to everyone elses level.

Just because a class is weak doesn’t mean it’s hard to play, and just because a class is strong doesn’t mean it’s easy to play

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At least we have one more button to press (glaive tempest) :upside_down_face:

Just a quick reminder to the DH gang here

There are DH’s sitting at high rating in both brackets it doesn’t matter it being one individual or thousands. It shows DH can be played to high rating no matter how weak you wanna sell DH to others.

The first step is to gitgud and then complain if things aren’t working out and there being clear barriers of not getting high rating. But I promise every DH player who posted here plays DH to probably 2% of it’s capacity.

Same with DK players tbh, completly viable specc in both brackets, more so in 3s but even in 2s. In 2s I already got hit by 14k obilerates back to back btw. The DK was night fae if it rings some bells for dks here.

Obviously there are better speccs than DH and DK but they can be played with AND around.

I’d even argue that the 2nd best comp for WW is WWDK lmao

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Wonder whos more in the right. The highest rated DH in Europe saying how its infinitely easier to play WW and Arms to high rating compared to DH or the Monk that has a big bias towards DH. :slightly_smiling_face:

Sure, DH is viable. Thats why there are, 8 in 3v3 in top 500 from what I counted in Europe?

Aka. They cheese to win.