Havoc DH ruined

This. Just this. Its like people maining everything but DH has gathered on the hate-train in some strange agreement that “Our spec is so complicated”

And this.

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Funny how people thnik that DH is much more “123spamm” than for example Retri or Rogue… I played Rogue for the first two Raids and it is not like it had a “hard rotation” unless you go Sub… than its a bit more complex, still 2 out of 3 are just “press buttons in right order -> success” exactly as the DH… maybe just not 123 but 12345 … oh god, two more buttounZoS I will never master this! NeVeR!!! … be realistic man… 123 or 12345 does not make a big difference.
I also played Firemage (just normals and lots of puppet training) the Rota is… simple as fk…
I mained Warlock for the rest of BFA as Demo with a bit of Affli - the Rota is not that hard as well… you just need to have a tiny bit of overview…
Now I play some Retri (before prepatch and maybe in SL) and the “Rota” is just press some buttons until CDs are ready… than press CD’s and than the same some buttons again but faster… uh so hard…

I also have every other class beside Monk and Hunter on 120 and at least played for around 1h on the puppet in every specc… and unless you are hardcore mythic raider/player or going deep into the Arena… everything was “not that hard” to play on a decent performance level.

So in the end the “target” of nerf and buff should be that for the mass of players (and thats not Top100 Arena or World First Mythic Raider) all speccs are a viable option on a decent skilled player. As soon as one specc does hardly underperformce (I look at you, Feral’s) it must be buffed at a certain degree.

If DH now underperforme hardly for casuals - they must be buffed again in some way, same as 2h-Frost DK for example.
There is no “but they were sooooo OP last expac and before that”… who cares for last expac as soon as SL is out? Do you care for the money you got last year and already spend? Its more important what you will get next or currently have.

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Sub is not hard. It used to be one of the more difficult specs to handle but not anymore - But “Sub is so hard” has lived on.

I dont get this “3 or 4 button press” talk about any class. No class press only core rotation, they press everything else aswell, cant see how that stuff is even relevant, in addition comes borrowed power buttons, trinkets, etc.

People dont care about balance. They care about “Justice”

“Justice” for the expandable specs. While others are allowed to be op for 15 years.

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LMAO imagine using warcraft logs with any infinite star class. The top dps dhs were literally dudes that got lucky af and procced 40 stars in 3 min, my dps would vary from 80k to 140k depending on infinite star procs, on 90 corruption. And it works decently only in pure st and maybe drest/xanesh if you’re really lucky. Logs literally meant nothing this tier for any class that used proc corruption. I didn’t even get a gushing from start til they made it buyable. Any % corruption class was consistent and overall better than dh on every boss. In m+ they were scuffed rogues for noobs, with bm hunter and mage doing lot more dmg if played right. And that’s fine. Actually what sucks about the changes is the gameplay. New dh has even less buttons AHAH and plays terrible build where the only source of dmg is a bugged talent connected to your mobility. The class right now is a joke, they even nerfed fel barrage maybe without realizing, it scales with haste and was only played with demonic for the haste demon form gives, now they’re same row. There’s no synergy in the talent tree, altough i’ve not seen yet too much of shadowlands systems but i’ve heard it plays same just got a few passives on top. Just gonna go play something that doesn’t feel clunky af, they might even be decent because of scaling but they play terrible. Meh whatever i was already turned off by the aoe cap.

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You know how that can happen?
With the excessive amount of haste they got furious gaze + expedient equals to more procs.
Its still a matter of class design, thats why nobody else was using stars besides DH’s even in ST fights, the rest like mythic nzoth you used TD? Still proc build based on your class design.

While your rotation is 10x simplier from this a WW has or a feral, you seriously outparsed them by pressing 3 buttons.

Now that seems OK to you because you playied it, but for me its not ok.
Enough with DH, probably the worst example of brainless 123 mashing that dominated from legion till prepatch, you had MORE time you deserve im afraid.

He forgot Warlocks too.

I literally had an argument with 2 dummy mages saying « OLUL 2 buttons class you have no opinion »

Then I simply told them, ok let me link the number of skills I frequently use in battle. Not happy they said « ONLY DAMAGE SKILLS ! »

Okay so : demon bite, chaos strike, blade dance, new Fury of Illidari from prepach, immolation aura, eye beam ». That’s 6, can be more with some talents.

I had to repeat that 3 times until they added me on ignore because they KNOW they are clueless and just repeating the « popular opinion » like good sheeps.

Even when I hate a class, it’s always good to test it to understand its weaknesses and mechanisms. But most folks are lazy and dumb.

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No i didnt.
Did you see warlocks dominating each and every aspect of the game?
They are a top tier raiding spec yeah, a spec that can carry the player even if its not parsing good because of the whole toolkit.

But did you see any M+ not starting without a lock?
In s1-2-3 no M+ was starting without a rogue and a DH
In s4 we needed to have a mage.

Raids, Arenas. That’s quite major.

Go see the logs with destros everywhere.

Raids yes, arenas in season 4 only.
Whilst your DH topped everything and everywhere, hence it got nerfed because there are other specs we can choose in this game.

We cant have the biggest 123 masher dominating all aspects of the game from legion till the end of BFA… Its absurd.

Except it didnt, but ok.

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Bro i can play any class in the game at a good level if i want to, aside from glad pvp maybe, you don’t have to tell me. I played dh because i wanted to do all content and dominate in wpvp, and dh was good for that. Don’t come at me crying like monk is trash, monk was bad literally only for raid and the other specs were still good. It was brought to mdi, it was the best healer in arena and one of the best dps, played even in double dps to 3k almost. If you’re saying lock weren’t overpowered all the time you haven’t been playing with or vs one the last expansions, lock was always one of the best in at least 2 out of 3 categories every patch. Demo was played in m+ s2-3-4 even at mdi, was the best in legion always, in raid was slightly worse than spriest until they nerfed them but brought healthstone and portal was needed almost everywhere. You don’t know a lot about the game and are talking about your personal experience as a monk. Monk was meh in raid since legion i can give you that, but that’s about it, they were almost always good at everything else. Rets, feral and others were in a much worse spot all the time. Most of the classes are easy, especially monk, as long as you play it a few months, i only care how to the class feels to play and if it can be competitive. My alt (can’t say alts cause lol alts in bfa) fills in the gaps, like fire mage to have some ranged fun this patch. Shadowlands dh feels terrible, clunky rotation, dies in a 4 second stun with defensives up, mobility is used for dps and damage is average to low. Why would anyone want to play this dumpster fire? And there was more nuance than you think to dh in raid. Managing souls, triple death sweep, dodge tricks, taunting and living by kiting if tanks makes a mistake like on the dog, trinkets, corruption and essences were different for most players even at the top, with 2 to 3 build available it was actually quite fun to micromanage. They’ve removed everything and now it’s just immo aura+fel rush.

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Dont tell him please. He thinks due to his Mastery WW is Albert-Einstein levels of thought play.

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If you chose to close your eyes to it and look the otherway it didnt.
If you just take a look that it was a must have everywhere then you would be less biased.

Yet you chose to play the ultimate 123 masher…
The excuses here are funny, at least my guilds DH’s accept how funnily simple your specs are.

While DH wasnt the 2nd best dps in M+ for 3 seasons?
Wasnt a top tier pvp spec with 0 brain dodging magic and FROM BEHIND?
Also n2 MDPS after arms warrior

How exactly you compare yourself with the trash tier WW and bring silly excuses about MW?

Dude you got a CE by pressing 3 buttons :confused:

Yeah sure, “monk feels easy” you mashing 123 is hard.
There is no other spec in game that just gather resourse and spend resource whilst using 2 mini cd’s without any interaction to any ability. You literally have 0 rotation you just mash buttons.

Monks have to manage Chi/energy/Hit combo/Mastery.
That alone is alot more brain needed to play 5 DH’s at the same time.

Dodge magic…
Dodge from behind…
Dodge each and every overseer’s Deadeye…
Pretty balanced stuff AND you have to whine that you lost them?

If you had any sense of logic you would be thankful this insanity lasted you 2 expansions.

Nope, WW is a normal spec like all the others.
Only Havoc is a brainless 123 masher and hunters for example.
It seems you particularly choose to play 123 mashers but hey you are like the other dude up there, “you can play all specs” It just happened you chosen the easiest ones and the most rewarding for their minimal effort. A terrible coincidence yes! :joy:

I play this Game for 15 years. I mained Hunter and Ret from TBC to Legion. Some random Monk like you that has a terrible hatred for DHs cause you most likely just get smashed too hard by them in casual PvP content is not someone I truly bother arguing with. I hit the same rating with Hunter as MM and as SV as I did with DH and nearly too with my Spriest when casually playing it in Arena for the first time.

What do you have done so far, except cry like a little child in every forum post of yours that X is so easy and you are so good?

I play DH because it is the Class I waited a long time for. The same will go for Tinker if it comes out, no matter if its gonna be ultra hard to play or very easy once more. I play the theme I enjoy the most and the Class I like the most. You are just bitter as usual. Go ask players that have achieved far more than you both in PvP and PvE content and they tell you that DH is in a bad spot and they usually get taken for their 5% debuff.

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First of all, im not playing PVP because the few times i was forced to play it i had to blend with illogical nerdraging people like you.

Also that random monk is playing the game, has an opinion and is allowed by blizzard to state opinions. If you dont like them, nobody cares and use your ignore system. As a MW i had 0 problem dealing with DH’s in S3 i played for the essence.

You need to realize, the spec was rewarding you much for your 0 effort.

Rondawhite is my main, check what it did and tell me what you did with your 123 brainless masher.

Nope, you played it because it was by far the easiest spec in game and the most rewarding one.

There are countless threads in the forum with people literally saying the same thing as i do. Who argues? The ones that play DH probably because they cant play something else.

Im being truthful and you dislike it.
Afterall as i mained Hpriest from season 4 and after i do call it the DH of healers because its very simple and rewarding. In raiding only though, unlike your class that is simple and was rewarding EVERYWHERE around this game.

Maybe everybody achieved more in pvp from me because i dont play it and never will. But what exactly more was in pve to get from what i achieved?

Let me guess, you think that munk is my main? :rofl:
Check achievements before you make yourself look even more funny.

DH was n2 Mdps after arms warrior in season 4.
I dont know where your “facts” come from but its really bad.
You know what warcraftlogs is? Sure you dont, thats why your statements are false.

ANYWAYS:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/24#metric=dps&dataset=100&class=DPS&region=3
Does that look like a buffbot to you?
Because its literally 2nd Mdps and 5th overall dps out of 24 total specs.

I think you should get back chasing a healer around a pillar because youre clueless about pve or how specs worked in it.

Illogical nerdraging people? YOU are insulting every DH player in the Forums with your comments and then you wonder you get the same treatment? Fool.

Again.

Again.

Again.

And yes, thats exactly how I got numerous times 2.400, especially as Hunter and 2200 on your low skill main Spec Shadow aswell. You would like to know what I did there actually in 3s? I did nothing, ABSOLUTELY nothing but tab target dot myself to 2.2 and that was also why I quit it, apart from some Mind Control & Mass Dispell plays you did literally zero during those Games.

Even the easiest Melee was more engaging to play than that because you had to watch out for positioning in Legion.

But hey, buddy, how do you “defend” your Albert-Einstein specs like WW and Shadow now, hmmm? Especially after the Shadow rework, making it just another boring builder and spender without your oh-so-skillful Voidform? And its the biggest noob class in PvP too right now, what a big coincidence, yet do you see me complain one bit about that in the Forums like you do 24/7 towards DHs?

You are just such a sad human being, and absolutely nothing else onto that. If Forums would allow muting you would be #1 for a lot of people I am most certain.

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You tried to insult me by point out progres ETC.
Im talking about the DH spec, YOU are not a DH you are a human being and im not talking about you. But when i reply to rude comments just because i point out the truth i will REPLY with insults to those who insult. Live with it.

exactly, the easiest and most rewarding spec for 2 expansions.

Yes im playing the DH of healers, im not talking only about your spec but i talk about my spec too. Its called being subjective and not biased like you that argues with the obvious.

The rest of your nerdraging arguing over nothing wont bother to read, sorry i know it contains… Rage.

They do, you didnt know that?
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But your problem is not what others say, you just wanna bash real people who dare to not share the same opinion as you do with silly facts even for raiding you have 0 clue about.

You just want to argue, thats all.
The rest of the forums said exactly the same thing as i said about DH’s since legion, i guess everybody is clueless except you and another 3-4 DH’s that think different and “unique” but never biased.

Sweet. One less whiny Monk less. Enjoy your indepth Shadow Priest my dear Greenskin! :ok_hand:

Always happy to help dawg! :+1: