And still is Havoc the only dps spec/class that ever got me addicted due to it’s unique and challenging playstyle. Which other class has this fast rotation including movement and positioning for dps.
Proper UBC usage while doing mechanics well in Mythic + or equivalent Raids will be harder than most other melees now. Its pretty much the same as playing Momentum.
If we add Momentum ontop of it DH will be most likely even the hardest melee to play well.
Havoc challenging?
What did you play before wow? Minecraft? xD
Only the fact they got nerfed will make them harder now, allthough SP is kinda OP and i did a M+ with a low rated DH yesterday didnt see it weak at all.
Viable but not as good as before id say.
Stop trying to discuss or argument with me about the Game please. You only talk crap.
Damn…
Youre back in salty mode? 
The first reply you give is just nonsense once more. Havoc is not easy to play just cause its a build-spender playstyle when you go for UBC and Momentum.
Its already not easy to play anymore in PvP with UBC and Mortal Rush considering your defenses are terrible.
Welcome to mortality.
I know it was good to be the one and only spec in this game that did dodge magic and could dodge from behind but…
Times change. No king rules forever.
Mortality it is for you that every caster spec burns through your only defensive (Blur) even from full health?
Mortality it is for you that even if you pre-Blur stuns right now you just get oneshot through them anyway?
Mortality it is for you to have such absolutely lackluster defensive Talent tree options that non-existant Leech in Arena is still the best choice for you?
Alright Ronda.
Theres a big difference between nerfing something to viable and pruning it to near death. DH got the latter treatment.
Atleast they gave DH ways to compensate. 
An extremely unreliable Talent on its own that has extreme counterplay just by walking towards the DH, all while being the best choice in PvE too or you deal no DPS while also being extremely unfun in Dungeons and Raids too. Great Job Blizzard.
But yes, thats for sure skill issues and balanced.
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Not that they balance everything perfectly but classes now dont work as they are balanced to work. You dont have your conduits yet.
Maybe in SL things will get seriously better.
But no matter what DH case was absurd. Im surprised it lasted from legion till now, 2 full xpc’s
Could you tell me how up to 20 second less CD on Blur on MAX RANK CONDUIT that wont be available until 9.3 and some less % magic damage will fix the Class?
You realize the enemies get strong choices too?
DH only needed First Blood to be the tanky choice instead of damage and it would have been fine. Now no one will play DH anymore as you can already see nearly everywhere.
This spec has almost as much representation as Enhance does currently.
The only way to play the spec in both PvE and PvP is by relying on something that doesnt work nearly 50% of the time well, and even if it does its extremely unfun.
Theres a big reason it didnt survive even one season as an Azerite Trait. And thats not cause they wanted to make it a talent with SL.
Yep, if what you say is indeed true im not suprised after seeing DH being so pollular from legion till BFA…
Still enchance is bottom tier though right?
Last time i remember it being op was for 1 season in warlords, the turbo era.
Now all we need to have a better game is crippling mages and destroying rogues, not only their damage but all their toolkit. The game will be perfect after this.
I’m surprised rogues, mages and locks have been lasting since Vanilla buddy.
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Rogues and mages are top tier everywhere, locks are not.
Unlike their domination in pvp due to corruptions in S4, blizzard rushed to change an essence bonus so that mages will top it out again.
The next day, all PVP players in the tournament gone back to RM-X
Their time will come, for sure.
When? Nobody knows.
When WoW is over they still will be strong. 3 DPS Spec Classes will never be balanced or UP.
Just gonna unsub genuinely cause I am done with all the DH hate from casuals and reading this everywhere anyway is zero fun too for nearly 4 years now when people think they are so much better because they push 1-3 more buttons.
Well in the pvp thread you read the same thing written by pvp players… Its not “casuals” that dislike the OP im afraid…
Ive told you again, its not how many buttons the other classes press more.
Its about DH being only gather+spend resource. Nothing wrong you can do, you cant mess your mastery+hitcombo you cant loose your voidform stacks or todays you cant mess your voidform making it last less and be punished by -10% damage on top of the mastery…
If you just spam your buttons as DH instead of pooling Fury properly with Chaos Strike/Annihilation Refunds, Demonic Appetite Souls plopping on the Floor against Mechanics and saving the right amount for each Eye Beam window beforehand, you are playing the Spec wrong. Theres a lot more to it than just 1 2 3, but you do not know this cause you dont play it and just hate on it everywhere.
Either DH has the above or they play Momentum which is ultimately even harder than that. And a lot harder than other melees that can just zug zug the Boss, build & spender or not.
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Still that doesnt come close to a good WW that keeps his mastery 100% and his hitcombo @ max stacks always while not capping energy and gathering chi, or a shadow that was pushing 60 stacks on voidform and managing both mana + insanity…
Used these specs because i know them well, there could be better examples ofcourse.
I dont understand why exactly momentum makes it hard for you… Maybe sac’ing your mobility makes you less fast from the already god tier speed you have but still nobody is playing momentum at least in pve, they all use demonic.
This is the big problem I have with you. I tell you that DH is more than just 1 2 3 and press whats available, and then your argument is “Still… its not as close as X…”
And to this exact moment I still dont know why you have a problem that class X or Class Z is pressing X less or X more buttons than you, and even go so far to attack the people that play it.
I mean, what was that towards me up there? “You play DH because it is too easy and rewarding to play”, indirectly insulting people already with one of your first posts?
Whatever, I am done. All you people do is flame.
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But still, its not even close…
If your problem is to manage to NOT overcap your resourses, other specs have alot higher skill cap.
Just think for a second, if there is an INSANE amount of players complaining about DH’s powers and low skill cap can they be all wrong except the DH players that think its not and declare themselves as not biased?
Just a little logic here…
Whatever you say buddy. DH is death-nerfed and no one is playing it anymore. Happy? Whole Community except DH mains are, so no need to discuss further. The 1-2-3 button Spec is viable at best with high ranked Conduits or after extreme class balance tuning. Tank Spec is crap.
Logs and PvP Charts proved that they were mediocre to above mediocre in the relevant Content. Looking at the people that overly complain about the Class it is people that do not do any high end Content be it PvE or PvP.
Anyway. Please, stop quoting me. I am done.
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