Havoc DH ruined

Currently?
Maybe, although as said above i did a M+ with aDH and was pretty far from dead. Also once more, you cant have balance in the pre-patch.

Conduits will make huge difference we have to wait and see.

No, just playing DH at higher levels than those who complain DH would be too easy.

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Good, then log in with your high level DH so we can see? xD

One of these days someone with mythic raiding progress and logs may actually post their stuff and shut you up. We all know you will quickly try and exploit other arguments in your favor, you’re not the type to admit defeat, you have a distinct pathology.

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You are still angry that i did not accept your claim about your imaginary monk that does awesome deeps with 5 buttons?
Too bad… :rofl:

Defeat?
You dont even know what abilities monks have + use and you reply me monk is easier from DH in the other thread and you talk about “defeat” ?
Literally each and every tantrum-answer you make proves me right. :upside_down_face:

I could just lay down here the amount of symptoms you show for mental illness but you’d just ask me to link my mental health practitioner certificate or phd. I do know the abilities monk has I don’t know where the hell you concluded that I don’t just because I didn’t spec into 2 of them doesn’t make it a certainty that my results aren’t good. I also never said monk is easier than DH, I said monk isn’t complicated at all to play and perform at a good level and it’s not so much harder than DH or any other spec (man WoW isn’t rocket science, you got 5 year olds playing the game nowadays perhaps at better levels than us) as you try to make it sound, you just need to convince yourself that you’re superior and more skilled than DH players when the difference require isn’t as noticeable as you would have us think, it’s an ego thing simply. But by all means man let yourself be convinced you’re the ultimate hotshot with your ubber complex superior player monk rotation. You just keep distorting what other people say most of the time and conveniently mold arguments as and when they suit you most. I’ll explain it really easy for you one last time: DH easy - Monk slightly less easy than DH - Still not rocket science or worthy of a Nobel Prize - Congratulations though, you’re slightly better than a DH even though you want to believe you’re miles ahead. And why should DH’s be punished for being an easier class to play? That was the devs design, if you ask most DH players will tell you they would rather have the class redesign to be more complex and have a couple more abilities to press or as you say a rotation than to be nerfed to justify lazy design and elitist manchild like you that feel entitled to so much more to reward you for pressing a few more buttons. Why not advocate to improve the design other than nerfing a spec to oblivion? You’re really such a piece of work man, I know your type. All this crap because how dare I claim that monk can be played to a good level with 5 buttons and it’s easy af to maintain hit combo and mastery without having the logs to back up my claim. Tool. Anyway not wasting any more time with superiority complex people like you and i won’t reply any further on this thread and to you. For what it’s worth let it be known I consider you a manipulative elitist idiot.

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You know how many lost their weak arguments and started a personal side-attack claiming they are mental practitioners in this forums?

Although ive never seen a psychiatrist running around in game forums claiming he plays monk and makes awesome “deeps” with 5 keys. That was unique. :rofl:

Cant read the next book of yours, im already laughing more than my abs can hold :joy:

You’re just an idiot full of yourself.

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Ah… The forum scientists and their PhD :joy:

I like DH’s becaues they take the hate away from BM hunter ;D

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Why do people get so mad about DH ? If you look at their forums so much why don’t you play one? lol

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You DH mains crazy? VH is looking top tier + great for rated BGs as usual. Havoc is brain dead easy and gaining mortal stike abilities. Good in all content

still haveing 110%+ mastery in prepatch oh lolz

Currently bottom DPS with ONE dps spec. Unlike Druid/Rogue/Mage, DH can’t change.

Mortal Strike debuff linked to a movement ability. It’s like instead of wound poison, the effect would be added on your sprint or Shadowstep.

Or mortal strike effect added only on charges/heroic jump.

It’s dumb and favors ranged classes such as hunter or mages.

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I personally don’t play dh just as alt but seen few people absolutely smashing with it,it might not be as op as be for but it’s still a good class,from what I read some just complain they can’t play the class

Yes we are strong for dealing damages (like many specs) but our survivabilty right now on the prepatch is a real joke.

Since blur was nerfed and they remove the dodge from blade dance, we must be able to use blur while stunned.

And make first blood baseline because without this talent, our spec is like spaming one button.

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dude what nice legendary ??? are you trolling ? - they sh… on dh class tbh

just gonna throw this out there. no classes are particularly difficult. wow is not a ‘hard’ game at its core. dh is not hard, ww is not hard. coming from someone whos swapped class basically every tier of this xpac and still maintained a competitive log/world ranking, its 100% true. this whole ‘it should be bad dmg wise because its easy’ is not a valid argument, its just stupid.
the same classes have dominated pvp and pve content for years. locks have dominated the top spots for the last (at least) 4 xpacs without contest. mages, rogues, warriors are all up there too. do any of them take more skill, not really, at least not in the player range of most of the people in this forum. would it matter if they were either? - not really.
if its a mage or a dh, there’ll be things the top players do that new players don’t.

you keep attacking players saying they know nothing, they have no xp, they have no progress… well, I literally cannot find on logs the last time you played ww either (every average log you have is mw), and you haven’t even done a single fight this tier on heroic, let alone mythic. you also haven’t done anything on your monk. you have 1550 in pvp and I can’t really find much for m+ either. I’ve played monk as an alt since MoP, at a semi competitive level, I usually will clear at least some tier of mythic content while current (as one of the 3 specs), and though I generally now use qfinder only for cap, I also have decent pvp xp. ww is not a complicated spec, not pressing the same button 2x in a row is not a particularly difficult mechanic to play around. combo points and energy on ww are no more complicated than they are as rogue, feral, ret or w.e else you choose historically or current. its just a system. talking down to people achieves nothing.

the biggest issue with dh is st dmg. although some of that has been fixed in the introduction of new legendaries, its not actually ‘buffing the class’, rather another crutch. and relying constantly on new systems to validate your spot is not a good game design.
as for bringing the buff, it is all that dh is offering right now. with the new raid being predominantly single target, having one to buff your ranged is fine, but if vengeance is a viable option, you might as well free up the mele spot for a ranged. on that note, monks also bring that same ‘buff benefit’ to the raid, you just have more viable options to bring for the same bonus. its a ‘wait and see’ situation, but I understand why people are nervous, because it is feeling a gamble right now.

ww damage is kinda bad in raids, one day you might get your legion tier back, but its a hard class to balance, and it already is very competitive in pvp and could find spot in m+ also.

play nice though. you can be frustrated about your own class without hating on another, and its community.

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They ruined the spec, but this is what they do. Next expansion will go broken as hell again. Thats how blizzard balance the stuff. Now Affixion warlock is the new DH, the spec was in bad spot so they re-word it to do anything better than any other spec. Retarded company.

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what makes affliction better than shadow priest?

The gameplay and dots management, certainly is way inferior to shadow priest.

The utility/def is way worser in pvp as well?