Headcanon 2: Electric Boogaloo

I cannot bring myself to think Sargeras was EVER or should EVER be counted a anti-hero

He is a villain to the bone, he is as much of a hero as Hal-9000 is
his actions is purely out of self-preservation and fear

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As far as we know he did it to ‘spare the universe’, which is the opposite of self-preservation. Illidan’s SUPPOSED anti-hero motivation (which I still call BS on) is that he did what he did ‘for azeroth’ or ‘for tyrande’ or whatever. Sargeras’ supposed motivation is that he did what he did for the entire universe.

If you say that Illidan is an anti-hero because he was acting for others then you must also accept that Sargeras is an anti-hero for the same reason.

But they’re not. Illidan and Sargeras are villains. They did villainous things for villainous reasons. That Illidan had a similar goal to us (defeat the legion) doesn’t change that. The enemy of my enemy may be briefly my friend, but it doesn’t make them good.

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I stand by what I think
I also admit it is a fine line but what Sargeras tried to do should not be thought of as heroic anti or otherwise

if we step there, we need to ask ourselves if arthas was also an anti-hero since he supposedly wanted to turn the world into undead, making everyone able to resist the old gods.

or maybe maylgos was really a hero since he wanted to stop all the races from using arcane magic, the one key power that has caused so much trouble in wows history.

I stick to illidan being a very misunderstood anti-hero I agree he is a massive douche all around but since he seemed to constantly betray the legion or plot against them whenever he could I would deem him good enough for anti-hero
his actions are questionable, his method is unethical, he will go to any length to get what he wants. but all the way back in warcraft 3 and forward to now, (not counting the books since i haven’t read them) I have always assumed he was a hero, the kind of hero no one wanted to acknowledged because he became a monster to fight monsters.

meanwhile Sargeras not only killed his fellow titans instead of working with them or from what I could understand bother to try and show them.
he then went on a universe wide killing spree because, the void lords can’t take a universe if there is no universe to take
that isn’t being a hero, or anti-hero that is taking your ball and going home because you don’t like the players on the other team.

It is a very fine line and he is both depending on how you angle his motivation, that I will admit.

Yeah that means he’s a villain. Antiheros don’t enslave people and try to do a genocide, especially not to keep themselves safe.

Illidan was a villain.

No, you can’t change my mind on that.

The same way Draenei are villains.

but isn’t that what the legion did and to that extend Sargeras
enslavement, world wide genecide. all to keep the universe safe from the void lords?

Then we are on the same page in that regard I hope

and I see you point
mayhaps Illidan isn’t an anti-hero but more of a heroic villain? anti-villain? what is the word for those again?
someone with a leg or in his case a hoof in each camp depending on who you ask ofc.

as to the broken he is very much a dictator but to some outcasts like his illidari he is very much a hero.

“A Jerk But For Vaguely Good Reasons” is applicable, I guess

One day Blizzard will move past ends-justify-the-means as their sole way of redeeming characters

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Yes! That’s my point! If you think Illidan (who did all this bad stuff) is an antihero than Sargeras (who did all this bad stuff) is too. But I don’t think that, I think they’re both villains.

If an evil lich wants to kill an evil vampire, that doesn’t make the evil lich a good guy, antihero or otherwise. They’re both evil.

Likewise if Illidan (bad guy) wants to kill Legion (bad guy) that doesn’t make him an antihero.

Illidan goes beyond being “a jerk”. Trying to blow up a continent for selfish reasons (“so the legion won’t kill me” - the definition of self-preservation) isn’t the thing an antihero would do. It’s what a villain would do.

Draenei are cowards, they’re afraid to tell those who they seek refuge with to tell they’re chased by a dimensional spanning demonic army, but they’re not evil. Fyte me.

But we are.

All living creatures are inherently evil, because they murder and maim other lifeforms for their own selfish sustenance.

Tasty, tasty sustenance. :drooling_face:

The chunky persian cats in kul tiras are to cats what the husky kul tirans are to other humans.

Like a genocidal villain turning back into a good little girl because her mum gave her a hug, right? :crazy_face:

Despite many people claiming it ruined Illidan because it whitewashed him or something, even Legion had plenty of instances that showed how villainous he really was.
Best example is probably the Moonguard flashback quest where Illidan goes around killing his own men to empower himself. Because he’s the only capable one and their sacrifices were therefore necessary. Or something.

Angry Jaina was cool.

Peace Jaina bad.

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Great potentional to make the Alliance the aggressors for once with angry Jaina, Genn adn Tyrande.

But no, can’t have that.

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Even greater was with the dwarves in Before the Storm. Alas.

Nuking enemy cities pre-emptively only bad if Horde does it

this but unironically

Orcs with straight backs are just more fit and/or younger than the hunched ones.

That’s my headcanon at least.

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arguably we are done with the aggressors on horde side
those who could yet remain are talanji and mag’har leader
so for once it is even on both sides and I hope we see another legion where the alliance undermine anduins orders and engage in combat with the horde.