Hey!
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Iâm sorry only Minthara is the acceptable elf!
Points to the ion-cannon-carrying spaceship the alliance has in orbit.
Unreachable for Horde, able to target virtually any point on Azeroth except unground for obvious reasons. And the Draenei could, thanks to the recent addition of the Manâari, maybe get their hands to more spaceships and so on.
Give the Horde the Iron Star-technology. At least they would have powerful weaponry and dont have to fully rely on elven magic, their non-usage of forsaken bioweapons and the anger of 10.000 men. Oh yeah and the bits and pieces of working technology the goblins provide.
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Whats it gonna do? Blow a tiny hole in Orgrimmarâs gate lmao?
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Iâm with Mori on this, people always claim the Vindicaar has some awesome cannon, but where was that ever shown?
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The new warchief insisting that this time itâll be differentâŠ
Lest we forget, itâs not just a bomb but a coal engine and would make an industrial revolution.
Speaking of which, the gnomish space lasers that could have made all the difference in numerous battles and sieges is seemingly stuck in stable orbit over Gnomeregan.
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Well⊠compared to the blast door the Vindicaar melts through just randomly after few seconds of charge up time no building in Orgrimmar holds even a candle. Cant compare a blast door made out of several fel-reinforced platings against a gate out of stone, iron beams and a bit of wood.
Oh yeah⊠and the Vindicaar melts a door that was literally meant to withstand intense blasts, explosions etc. to provide safe shelter on the other side. Thats what the term blast door at least implies.
Touché. Blizz never had the balls to actually use the Vindicaar outside of that one situation on Antorus.
The Iron Star isnt just a bomb, yeah. Its an engine. Could give the horde industrial revolution much as the gnomes and dwarves gave the alliance such.
I mean it gave the iron horde industrial revolution. They have made cannons of all sizes with that tech, tanks, artillery cannons. That technology could also be used for many other things that are no weapon-related. As its an engine after all.
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Clearly this is proof that one of Azerothâs Lagrange points is right above Dun Morogh
Goblin engineering, bud 
This sucker can handle dozens of your lasers before buckling. No, we wonât demonstrate.
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It just made a small hole.
Thatâs fine. Kul Tiras and Gilneas managed this on their own and their technology is leagues safer than goblin technology, same with both gnomes and dwarves.
Ok so wait wait wait wait
Youâre telling me
That an omega long living alien race with space lasers and ships, supposedly able to level entire cities
Got rolled over by some green guys with axes and red eyes
Just doesnât add up does it?
Reverse-engineering Crystal tech from the Naaru just took that long
It does add up if we add all the external (Legion) influence to it. The Horde threw at the draenei a whole bingo of plague (thus creating the Broken), betrayal from the inside (the Sargerei), fel buffs for about every orc taking part and the warlocks essentially unleashing a full-scaled demonic invasion. It was as ugly as it could be, and got even uglier later (the Path of Glory exists for a reason, after all).
So basically draenei were taken out of commission by green men high on mountain dew, betrayal from within and covid-19.
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Except they didnât, at first, and it was part of the plan on the Shadow Councilâs part. First, they made the plague much worse with their magic. Then, through it, they made the Draenei look as if theyâre trying to attack the orcs while they suffered from the plague. Then, they manipulated the orcs into attacking through Nerâzhul, and as they expected, they were on the backfoot almost instantly.
Only then, as the orcs were getting messed up, did the Shadow Council convince the Horde of drinking the Fel, through the point of view that they were being attacked by the Draenei and losing, all while being ravaged by a Draenor-wide sickness that had only gotten worse.
A few seconds of charge time being an entire army supporting it as it stands within walking distance of the target and feeding its power system with a very specifric Argus-exclusive mineral every champion was grinding as a daily for an entire patch; a patch in which we, also, find several Army of the Light ships that have been shot out of the sky just recently, so, getting the only ship capable of doing that close enough to the target without it getting obliterated much like every other Army of the Light ship was.
So, no, sorry, much as people would rather have the Lightforged be even more of a Space Marine allegory, you canât exterminatus an enemy city from outer space in a fantasy game. Best it can do is make a hole through a wall as it floats right near it after being powered up by the main characters for an entire patch cycle, which is a hundred times more useless than simply using an airship to ignore the wall and transport troops right into a besieged settlement; air ships which both the Alliance and the Horde also have, and without a track record of crashing into the ground at full speed or being shot down every five seconds.
Hell, Jaina with a literal sunken ship and an upscaled arcane missiles spell literally did exactly what people would expect the Vindicaar would do, and without the whole powering it up for a whole patch cycle. The Lightforged do not have this insane advantage people think they do because Draenei had better tech than the Orcs did in their Age of Empires 3 Early Game stage, which, even then, turned out to be for naught.
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This only happened during the Siege of Shattrath, which was the last remaining draenei stronghold.
This only happened in the AU, not the MU.
This was also just before the assault of Shattrath, barring orcs being aged to adulthood.
Draenei technology and longevity simply didnât matter much when faced with greatly superior numbers and a complete surprise attack from the entire Orcish population of Draenor.
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I donât think the mandatory patch currency grind says much. Iâm more confused by how one draenei warframe is capable of downing a demonic battleship and then we donât use them at all taking on antorus besides troop movement.
There is no consistency, magic beats tech, tech beats magic, rock beats both as the plot demands.
Socrethar exists in our timeline, produced by Othaarâs betrayal. Iâm pretty sure the whole deal including the Kâara voidbombing of Karabor we prevent in alternate draenor got retconned in.
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And heâs the only one, for reasons we donât know. Thereâs no group of draenei traitors like there is in the MU, simply because its need never arose.
Loosely, yes. Itâs what corrupted Karabor into the Dark Temple.
There was quite a need. Shattrathâs defences, if they were even remotely close to those in AU, were far beyond what the Horde without goblin technologies could muster on its own. Shields and point defence pilons alone were enough to counter the primitive catapults or crowds of infantry charging at the city walls. After all, the orcs did resort to all manners of sorcery if only to stop getting slaughtered, so itâs easy to imagine the need for the sabotage on the inside for the success of the siege.
I dont know where you take the whole âable to level entire citiesâ aspect.
I genuinely dont know where you take the whole âleveling an entire cityâ from. Never said it. Only thing that I indeed said was that Orgrimmar wouldnt hold a candle against that legion equivalent of an atomic bomb shelter the Vindicaar shot a hole in.
Interpreting that the Vindicaar would level the entire city from this comparison alone is rather⊠exaggerating?
What is more accurate is that, when the Vindicaar is capable of shooting a hole into a facility that is meant to stay safe from outside attacks, that no building in Orgrimmar could have any chance to stand against a similar shot.
On the other side⊠Blizz has never been the best with consistency. So its all just assumptions over assumptions. Although it can only be logical that huts made out of rock and scraps of iron arent as stable as a bomb shelter.
Yeah⊠Blizz being incompetent worldbuilder who cant make things coherent eh?
Cant even blame them. Its a game after all, lore, story and such concerns always take the backseat.
With the Shadow Council being at its zenith and in control of the Horde draenei traitors arenât required.
By the time Shattrath was attacked it was the sole remaining draenei stronghold on Draenor, it was isolated and alone. Its technologies even if on par with that of the AU timeline wouldnât have done much - remember, in the AU the Iron Horde fully conquered Shattrath with just goblin technologies. And in the MU the Horde attacked with a weaponised strain of the Red Pox, which they fired into Shattrath with catapults.
Internal sabotage was simply not needed when the full might of the Orcish Horde came bearing down on Shattrath.