Healer - current state of M+

The current state of M+ is so bad, if you’re not RShaman you can’t play the game
Every time I try pug on my MW Monk 99 % keys, I’m rejected, every one want R Shaman on high keys . it ruins the game for everyone. - other healer can’t find group DPS stucking in Que waiting for Rshaman this needs to be fixed really quick
On keys
7-9 40 % are Rshamana
10-11 50 % are Rshaman
12+ almost 80 % are Rshamans

I’m tempted to try mythics, but from the sound of things it’s just not fun. I’ve a level 80 Resto Shaman and a level 80 Holy Pala… are Shamans really that much more suited to this type of content?
I heard Monk healers are supposed to be top of the line at the moment, is this incorrect?

The content is absolutely doable with all healing specs. This is a community perception problem. People at the highest levels prefer shamans due to their amazing toolkit, and because they can correct mistakes (taking avoidable damage).

Because of the top players preference, lower skilled players are afraid of other spec’s performance.

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Thanks, appreciate the response. That makes sense.

I am thinking of just messing with my BM Hunter - I might be getting too old for healing these days… :stuck_out_tongue:

Nonsense, prot warr also is ‘‘meta’’ tank yet the ones I play with as healer is some m+ get globaled in +5’s lol.

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Shaman toolki is simple too good for this seson , if you dont have Rshaman you wona get any DPs shaman , and DPs shamana is not super meta so all want resto

They have better utility. Monk also has crazy utility, but its less suited for these dungeons.

When it comes to HPS Monk as more. So do HPala and PEvoker. So this is 100% a player driven meta.

And the Shaman utility issue is the consequences of blizzard making stupid decisions (or not taking one for 20 years). Like the last boss of Arakara. Why does it have to be poison ? Why cant it be magic ? We got our totem nerfed because of 1 boss. And next season they will probably not reverse that and be permanently kneecapped when it comes to dispels.

Healing and Tanking in M+ was never about HPS or Tankines
It was always how much DPS or what utility or buff they bring

Healing was always secendary objective for heal in m+

Doable? Maybe. But there is a night and day difference if you do a 10 with an rsham or a hpriest as a healer.

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Bro, u can’t blame community perception, why people should be disadvantage by taking the worst healer ? There’s literally no reason, it’s like telling people u should take $10 instead of $100,000 because u can live for $10
Problem is we have 0 meta shifting during season, same was in DF
DH Rdruid Spriest Mage Auge and completely missed buffs/nerfs, That why ppl reroling class so much, because if u play bad class u get stuck for whole season not getting invite for any dungeons

By the end of the season everyone will be rshaman , frost dks, arc mage, retrib, and aug in high keys.
No broken meta class less % for invitation .

It is unfortunately night and day difference between taking any healer or a hpriest :frowning:
That isn’t on the shaman.

Objectively invalid argument. There are scenarios where you would pick someone else.
You have an Ele in a full group, no Brez and you need to chose between Resto Druid and Resto Shaman. Which one you pick?

It isn’t even a contest.

Maybe in a perfect world when no other class has CR then , yes, sure, you’re going to take druid; otherwise no, when you can take DK and play 2 shamans without any downsides, there is plenty of teams playing like that Rshaman + enh shaman +dk+aug
My point is for pugs, in 99 % case it’s safer to take a Rshaman then other healer
How u can even say it’s not contest when the whole idea M+ is climbing and doing the highest possible keys?
the only difference is that different people have different goals,

Actually, your point was, that for all compositions, R-Shaman would be better. There’s no scenario where $10 provides more value than $100,000.

Also, your point extends that an R-Shaman performs ten thousand times better than other healing specs.

I understand that you might have exaggerated to make a point.

My point is: Picking an R-Shaman over another healing class is better probably at least 80% of the time, but by how much? Probably just a little bit, unless we are talking about above +10.

You wanna know what is funny about all this ?

All of you whiners complaining about RShaman only strengthens the community perception that RShaman is “god” and can heal anything with 1 button. When it really cant.

Its a self-fulfiling profecy.

Imagine for a seccond that you play PEvoker and struggle healing/finding groups. You come here to the forums and see all you whiners out there… what will he do ? Reroll RShaman.

Forgeting that PEvoker absolutely packs in M+ … but its chronically underplayed because of Aug. Or that that person has a horrendous Rio, L2P issues… ect… And I could say the same for HPala, RDruids or DPriest as well.

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I still have to laugh about those “best healer” statements. People see at the top a certain spec overpresented and then claim it is the “best healer”. It is the biggest nonsense ever.

Still remember people only wanting a Venthyr Holy Paladin in S1-2 in Shadowlands, and then wondering why people do not get healed. They have absolutely no idea what is going on on the highest level and why some spec is in there. It was literally the worst healer.

Right now shaman isn’t the best healer either.

The best healer right now IMO is PEvoker.

It has MANY of the same utility Shaman has, but better. It even has some of the cool things Aug has (Zephir). It also heals like 20% more HPS wise than anyone else, AND does the best DPS with 1 button.

But… Aug exists… And in high keys that is the reason they dont bring PEvoker.

And because in high keys they dont, in lower keys where Aug is not necessary and nobody plays Aug people ignore PEvoker thinking its “bad”…

Absolutely mental…

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I already outheal my shaman in certain situations with my prevoker 10 itemlevels below without 4 set. (4 set for prevoker is crazy good) To be fair it’s not easy to play but as soon as shamans utility isn’t that relevant anymore it will fall behind hard.

Yeah… that is what I have been saying all along.

The only reason people want RShaman is because of Utility. Nothing else.

And to balance that out correctly you need to design dungeons that are fair for ALL healers.

And to delete Aug once and for all…