The fact that such an addon even exists just shows how bad and lazy people are in general, with as always respect for the exception.
To be fair, aside of the roleplay aspect and UI individualization we shouldn’t need addons at all.
It is far worse than just that.
Edit: And no, I am not using any addons that help me, aside of Details! sometimes. The game is still playable tho.
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When i use rotation helper addon i gain at least 25% increase in damage. The game really is too complex. Also the fact that i have to use keybinds + ctrl modifier + alt modifier AND MMO mouse and i still barely have enough buttons for full rotation is just wild. For people that say that wow isnt complex - go on and disable all your addons including dbm’s, ui addons and such. My guess that 80% of playerbase will be significantly worse players
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And for those players LFR and its determination buff exists. If you want to quite litereally have difficulties that suit every single human in existence then you would have over 100 of them. Thats simply not feasible.
You have LFR for the worst of the worst or those that cba. You have normal which you can clear without even remotely being good at the game (next to it being the easiest non lfr difficulty to outgear).
Then you have heroic where people need to have at least a basic understanding of the game and the only “hard bosses” are the last 2-3 which you generally outgear rather quickly (if youre a heroic progression grp/guild/player then clearing the raid during week 1 is not something you should aim for to begin with).
And at the end you have Mythic where you do need to know how to play your class and learn how to apply proper dps/hps/survival while dealing with mechanics that either flat out kill you, your group or make your healers wanna murder you. You still dont need to play at a 99% level however.
PvP is an entirely different cup of tea. For PvE you go nowhere near the amount of keybinds youre saying. Most certainly not as sub.
That’s not what I said. I said that wow needs to change how the learning curve works and put everyone on a more similar playing field, including completely new players without addons. And you do that best by disabling addons and making all mechanics in dungeons especially very well visible and audible in tve base UI of the game
Stop putting words in my mouth ^^ I think the difficulty now should stay as it is, but it needs to be more clearly visible without addons, etc. in general. The biggest offender regarding visibility is the sarkareth fight. It’s almost impossible to see the mechanics with your eyes.
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But without anything is exactly how i started on M+2 in legion. You need nothing for those levels.
What addon is necessary for +2 in your oppinion?
Sure they can and should improve visbility. I have stated that their UI and Edit Mode is absolutely horrendous even in this thread. But it wont change the fact that the entry level for WoW PvE is very very very very low.
The only two mechanics that are really really bad are the Blast orbs that come from the side since their arrow indicators are too small for you to realize which one is yours given they all point towards the camp since everybody stacks (which could be adressed by having your orb glow brighter or something) and the small swirlies in P3. Fire swirlies in P1 are bearable.
On heroic sarkareth the ground is so full of stuff thar I have to focus very very hard to see what I’m standing on despite using addons and those give me noise indicators, when I stand on something bad. The visibility is really really bad. Really bad. Not allowing addons soft-forces them to stop being lazy with this. Also, tbh, I’m not against all addons actually. Just stuff that makes it look cleaner is fine, but addons that calculate boss mechanics and do your rotation for you are not ok. For example I have to use weakauras to know when to press blood thirst, because I can’t calculate the toral crit % in my head at any given time xd
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Well for me i dont want to switch my keybinds for game modes. My keybinds are what they are otherwise i can press what i dont mean to. Also i need keybinds for potions, trinkets, gadgets, soulstones and such.
My sweetspot for button count/rotation is shadowpriest in WOTLK with ±7 buttons. With mechanics on retail encounters would be perfect fun.
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Lots of people like that. I had to disable speech bubbles because it was hiding how the mobs were facing and many other things, but I installed the WeakAura anyway to satisfy others.
I do think it impressive though. The darn thing is almost as big as your character and stands firmly directly in top of you with a distinct colour and animation and model. It’s seriously impressive that people can’t spot it.
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It’s quite surprising how high it gets when you start counting. It’s a lot.
Also cool-downs. I have to display 22 as frost mage.
I agree that there’s button/ability bloat and that some of the ‘minigames’ built into abilities are not worth having, like pooling mindblast stacks vs just having a single generic filler, but I’m not sure hekili is proof of that or that this kind of complexity is actually hurting anyone’s enjoyment of the game.
Regarding hekili downloads, it’s not clear how many people have simply only tried it and decided they didnt like it. Or how many people use it exclusively for alts where they dont care about learning the spec. The biggest appeal for me personally is that it requires near zero effort to setup whereas building a custom UI that suits me takes many hours of fiddling with weakauras/wow api and days of testing. We also have no other game to compare all this to because very few actually support addons enough to allow a rotation helper to even exist.
Also, people do enjoy learning things even if they’re (currently) bad at them and finally mastering them often gets players attached to their class/spec. Being designed to have thousands of hours worth of play time on comparatively little content it actually needs some extra hurdle for a lot of players, though not quite the kind of hurdle that 30+ keybinds bring. Lastly, the average player is simply more invested/competent than in tbc/wotlk so that comparsion is questionable.
Im not saying that there arent many keybinds but you most certainly do not need alt modifiers and an mmo mouse ontop of shift modifiers. Not for PvE Sub.
Dude no offense, but no one cares about your PvE sub.
Go play healers then come back here. I mean, you ever thought to yourself why the healer shortage is so much worse now compared to Legion / BFA?
Yeah people here have no idea. The irony here is a lot of players in this very thread would probably benefit greatly from using a rotation helper. I used Hekili when leveling DPS characters in Shadowlands to make money of the mission table. I was number one in DPS every single time.
How about you first learn what the conversation was about before you respond hm?
Read above.
Because healers are rightfully fed up with having the most responsibility while having to cover for every single DPS and Tank mistake.
for me it was there when i arrived , i started pushing keys in march and it was already in the game so i kinda went with the flow
Also useful even if you are a seasoned player and have never played a particular class/spec before. I never liked Hekili , preferring to use MaxDPS
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What discussion? These things are all bad and should be removed from the game. There is no discussion to be had. Idc if some dork class discord mod or RWF player thinks these things are good. They obviously are not. Violent outburst like procs that require a WA tracking the effect should be purged. Easy. Next.
Not sure if these people are void of empathy or just not very bright. People think LFR players are being intentionally bad to ´´troll´´ them or smthing. Like, no some people are just really really bad at the game?
Yeah people are bad at the game. So what? WoW has decided to be actively hostile to people who are bad at video games, and given the fact that 99 % people suck at video games it probably is not a good idea to neglect these people?
Retail WoW is doing poorly right now. That is a fact, like it or not.
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Hekili for healing? 