Why is assa not nerfed? Why is outlaw not nerfed? At least sub loses duel, it’s a start.
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Garrote is fine just fake cast to gain precog
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You’re worst one yet, Bac. Losing your touch 
nerf pres first. Should be highest priority
No, every rogue specc is highest prio.
Blizz gonna nerf rogues at End Times. A busted class with delulu mains.
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I also play rogue.
Garrote is busted. Should go bye bye.
This looks like a DF details. In my games Garrote is not top damage all the time, and when it is it doesn’t lead details like in your picture.
It is a wrong, and misleasing details. Spirit of Christmas and all lets assume it is not on purpose, but on your own screen capture Garrote deals 220 tics for 22.63M damage while Rupture deals 160 tics for 15.24M damage. You can see that it would be almost the same damage for the same amount of tics, and since both bleeds tic at exactly the same rate the tics are supposed to be close to matching.
Your screen is just a screen of someone not doing the rotation properly, not of Garrote doing much more damage than other abilities.
Also by the way, Corrupt the Blood and Internal Bleeding come from Rupture. With what I explain about tics Rupture alone would be really close to Garrote w(with this players’ build and stats), but on top of it all the damage from Internal and Corrupt is also “Rupture”, the first one being a short bursty bleed applied with it, and the second ticking alongside Rupture but having a different name. If anything, Rupture deals much more damage than the rest and it is how it should be because it is a spender, as opposed to DF where Garrote was indeed top damage.
I’m not talking about Crimson Tempest, but properly used it obliterates the other two bleeds on details as well.
But hey. “GARROTE”. It is a bit of a disappointing thread. I expected more… fun, when I read the title. Rogue hating threads usually are. But no, it’s just the classic “I don’t have all the data but I still press enter”. Sigh.
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Yeah well it’s not.
If you really think i would go all the way of taking an obsolete screenshot just to call for nerfs for whatever class then you absolutely don’t know me.
Also the silence effect needs to have a cooldown.
Luckily for you I spent time explaining below that quoted sentence. Feel free to read.
If that wasn’t clear enough, then allow me to make a comparison. I would log on Destro (since you are familiar with it, but it works with any spec really), I would pick lets say the ability that is 2nd on damage on a details of a competent Destro player, and I would use it about 50% more than I should. Then I would “forget” to press any other ability about half the time I’m suppoed to, and then post a very cool screenshot of a details with my chosen ability doing way more damage than anything else, and thus way more % of the overall damage than it should on a proper details. And I’d call it way to op, because hey, the obvious conclusion is exactly that, and not that I did my rotation wrong despite many more casts of that ability than anything else on my screenshot while it should be about the same, in this example.
Is that more understandable if I describe it like this ? Obviously I did not mean you kept that details from Dragonflight… I can see the numbers. Simply, as I described with detail before, this is not what it should look like, soooo… it invalidates your entire… thread ? Point ?
I do not agree, however I believe it was a huge mistake to make Subterfuge 6s, and an even bigger one to make it extend other “out of stealth” effects by 6s. Having access to the silence for 12s after breaking stealth is way too strong, and also does not make much sense to me. If Assa was better - like Outlaw or something - then because of tools like this one it would instantly make many specs obsolete and it’s bad design. But the spec is not that great right now, so the issue is … dormant I guess. But eventually it will show.
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Nerf N11 so one less restealth garrote silence
Happy holidays guys wish you the best
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Look, i know this guy most likely fked up his rotation. That does not however invalidate my statement that Garrote in its current itteration of silencing an entire team multiple times in a row effectively taking them out of the game while also doing obnoxious damage is a design choice that needs to be reevaluated (which is where i disagree with you).
“The spec is not that great right now”
I guess a lot of people didn’t get the memo because I see assa rogue constantly in 2v2 and 3v3. It’s certainly better than sub.
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It is true. But showing a details picture with Garrote abnormally high on damage helps, or supports this claim how exactly ?
You did not select this screenshot by accident. You could have used one with a normal damage breakdown are they are way more common than whatever you chose. Yet you chose it. If that’s not an attempt to convey the “lol they press garrote only and it tops damage while ccing everyone”, then what is it ?
Simply address whatever issue you want to address without trying to sneak in misleading things. However intentional.
I did say it should not silence people for so long. That’s virtually very similar to giving it a cooldown unless you choose to vanish twice back to back. And then, I believe investing 4min worth of cooldowns should definitely do something threatening.
It is. But since Sub is complete garbage in anything other than RBG/Blitz at the moment, it really doesn’t mean anything.
At high 3v3 rating for instance you see Outlaw only. 2v2 is quite inactive so it isn’t a good metric, but there too at the highest rankings Outlaw is more represented, and reaches higher.
The issue Assa has in the current metagame is that Outlaw is good. Outlaw or Sub completely destroy Assa, so when these are good, then Assa never shines at the top. And currently well, Outlaw is very good. If you look back at all the seasons either Outlaw or Sub were meta there was close to no Assa comp, if any at all, at top level. Assa, in its modern design, has always been countered by the rest of the Rogue class most of all. If today Outlaw disappeared from the game Assa would be very good I believe.
Merry Christmas ya’ll
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What’s this guy’s problem with Rogue?
lol
Affliction and Demo nerfs when? The strongest spec in the game and the most toxic to face spec in the game? When nerfs?
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That’s like… outlaw. But nice cope.
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Nah I’ll take top streamers and tournament players / commentators opinion over yours, sry. Outlaw is good, but whining about Rogue with current state of Affli, BM, Feral, even Ret is ridic, can’t take you serious.
You don’t even understand what’s making outlaw good. I’ll tell you - shadowmeld. Rogue is not designed around having extra vanish, now Rogue dam is tied to it. Get rid of meld in PvP and we fine.
Outlaw doesn’t even need meld because it gets cdr on vanish. Assa on the other hand is night and day difference.
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oh yeah feral, so problematic. the only stealther class that cannot restealth, the only class with primitive mechanics in the current modern wow, even enhancement shamans got modernized before us, forced to play 3 races in total, no immunities what so ever and you can tell when hes building on you from a mile away.
The only really dangerous feral druids are the 1%.
And you havent met any of them at 2k rating.
Also people dont find assassin so problematic, but garrote is rather the subject of discussion, not the spec itself.
Garrote with combination with Meld into the current meta is an absurd situation, and sadly has to go.
Does this mean assasin deserves a compensation ? idk, maybe.