High Elf Denial

Oh, so we’re just not allowed to be pretty… We’re the Quasimodo faction? Ugly, misunderstood guys? But no elves allowed. Esmeralda goes to the Alliance.

Also, you’re clearly ignoring the Story. Believing the Elves were all “friendly” with the Alliance after Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne, when the fact is the Alliance had just treated them like dirt and barely people, just to be used for their advantage. The Blood Elves despised the Alliance after Warcraft 3… The only except being the High Elves that wasn’t actually there to experience what happened to Silvermoon, who apparently believes the Blood Elves are just being over-dramatic.

Pretty much yes.

And you call it ugly, but cool monster races are not ‘ugly’ as such.

You mean going along with the story as told?

I’m calling it ugly because that was the word you used to describe why the fit perfectly into the horde “Hunched over, ugly”

Not “Cool monster” and they aren’t cool monsters… They’re mutated Space Goats.

And why do you have Worgen then? Literally Werewolves, they seem like they should have been a Horde race by your logic.

They gave the story a twist in WoW.
And I disagree with that twist. It was a mistake.

And people to this day, 20 years later, still asking for high elves, proves it was a mistake.

But as I said: It happened. So, whatever.

Well yeah, I find draenei ugly. Broken too.
You don’t have to agree with it or take my description as gospel. :sweat_smile:

No, some people have never reconciled themselves to the change but that doesn’t justify the idea it was a mistake. I never thought them killing Tara in Buffy was a good story but I ain’t looking for a retcon over two decades later

But one thing we know for sure at least. The Blood Elves are never leaving the Horde. Because they would never tell Horde Blood Elves “Well, because the story demands it, we’re swapping your Faction and removing your ability to play with your friends in any non-instanced content.”

The dreams of High Elves died when you got Void Elves :slight_smile:
Well, it was actually fulfilled. But it’s never enough, till you get the High Elf tooltip. And even then I don’t think that’s enough… Then they’ll want their own Capital, then some Heritage Armor, then more customization, then bluer eyes.

One man’s dislike is another man’s like.

People do need to get over it.

As somebody who loves both Blood Elves and High Elves, I love the direction they took for both. The Blood Elves on the Horde made a lot of sense, whereas High Elves in their morals, still made sense on the Alliance.

Why did you have to remind me of THAT?!
:sob:

Such a heartbreaking moment.

It’s an example of how things we don’t like happen in stories and rather than demand it be changed or retconned to roll with it.

Is… That suppose to be a threat?

That’s how the allied races should have worked had the devs not be dumb.

Dark Iron for Horde, Grimtotem for Alliance
Shen’Dalar Nelves for Horde, High Elves for Alliance
Leper Gnomes for Horde, Random Goblin cartel for Alliance.
Nelf Worgen for Horde, Farakki Trolls for Alliance.

And so on…

Don’t know if you’ve been to Silvermoon’s Garment District recently, but we have a… Rather unique way of handling Leper Gnomes :sweat_smile:

Also, when Calia was originally introduced, I was convinced she would have been used to give Alliance a Light-forged Undead Allied Race. Instead she became the Forsakens problem :joy:

Well…

Look, the Alliance has done some terrible things, and calling them the good guys would be simply wrong; however, if you compare what the Horde & Alliance have done since the beginning of Warcraft, it’s not really a competition.

The Horde has:

  • Started Multiple Wars, which resulted in millions being killed.
  • Attempted Genocide against multiple races, including Humans, Night Elves, Drenai & more.
  • Responsible for destroying hundreds of towns, cities and sacred places.

Plus a bunch of other stuff I’m forgetting. There are definitely good people in the Horde, but if the Alliance is grey, then the Horde is Dark Grey.

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Sure man. Take any alliance race you want. Hell, you got Thalassian Elves, you got Night elves (nightborne) and dwarves (Earthen)

Hell, I’ll happily support Alteraci humans for the Horde if that means we get High Elves on the Alliance

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The only one to contradict themselves is You.

Pandaren, Earthen and Dracthyr are same race regardless of faction (complete with same background, racials etc.). What people campaigning for Alliance High Elves want is not to have acces to the same race the horde does - they want different race entirely.

As a mater of fact, so do You:

The whole premise of Alliance High Elves is that people who want them don’t consider Blood Elves to be High Elves. Ask others in this thread, or even Yourself if you’d be satisfied if you’ll be able to play a Blood Elf, just on the Alliance.

Keep being disingenuous…

You know damn well what we mean.

Oh, don’t get me wrong: I’m ‘rolling with it’.

I mean, I said stuff like:

But I still think it was a mistake.

Fair enough, but that begs the question at what point should folk reconcile themselves to that decision?

Take this entire discussion for example. It is predicated on a desire to play a certain race on a certain faction. OK, lots of folks have that desire, nothing wrong with that.

BUT this particular race is a duplicate of an existing race that is playable on the other faction. And a narrative was developed which showed this race exiting one faction and joining the other.

It has been 20 years since those decisions were taken. A fifth of a century. A quarter of a Human lifespan. And every single action by Blizzard since then has doubled down on this.

They have publicly stated nearly a decade ago that Blood Elves ARE High Elves when directly asked about it.

A large part of the narrative of Mists of Pandaria solidified the presence of the Blood Elves within the Horde. When the Alliance next tried asking them to switch sides through Alleria during the Nightborne unlocking questline, she was brutally told no. Recent imagery from the new expansion shows Horde iconography on Blood Elf ships, a Horde banner done in a thalassian style fluttering from within the thalassian elf capital and an elven garden cut to represent the Horde symbol. A not so subtle reminder to any Alliance player that while they maybe in the city for now, to never forget whose side this city is on.

They are an intrinsic part of the faction and arguably the Horde was always a better fit for them emphasising a looser arrangement between the constituent states than the Alliance’s overarching control.

They have increasingly emphasised the ‘light’ orientation of the Blood Elves in recent years, making it clear the Fel of TBC was a single expansion long aberration. It also creates an interesting narrative dichotomy with the Void Elves, and dichotomies take two to work, not three.

At the first major opportunity to provide Alliance High Elves, the introduction of Allied Races in BFA, they created Void Elves instead. At the second and FINAL opportunity, the Midnight expansion with it’s focus on Blood Elves and Void Elves and setting in Quel’Thalas, they introduced the Haronir instead.

A lot of the arguments that we as players engage in on this topic tends to rely on those who want Alliance High Elves making multiple arguments as to why they are distinct enough to be allowed and those opposed pointing out all the problems with those reasons. Ultimately we end with the ‘appeal to authority’, that Blizzard can do whatever they will in response to the naysayers and that if they wanted to add Alliance High Elves they could and would.

But the corollary of that appeal to authority is never really grappled with, which goes back to the first person. Yes, Blizzard CAN do whatever they want, but they have taken every opportunity NOT to do it. Void Elves were probably the death knell for the dream and cross-faction play were probably the death knell for the dream.

I simply cannot see Blizzard giving the Alliance two thalassian elf options, one a complete duplicate of an existing Horde CORE race, when they a.) not only went to the bother of creating Void Elves, but gave the Void Elves normal skin tones and hair colours (something I think compromises the fantasy of the race and given the vast majority of Void Elf NPCs use the blueberry options, I think Blizzard agrees and sees those tones as a player convenience at best) b.) opened up cross-faction play, so you can be a Blood Elf who interacts with Alliance players in every meaningful form of content without the baggage of the void.

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Yeah, I agree that that isn’t an interesting ‘solution’ - meaning; giving both factions the same race just with a different name.

I think in this case, maybe Blizzard could do some kind of storyline which would give an explanation for ‘different high elves’. Just like TWW made ‘alternative humans’ with the Arathi, there could have been some type of high elf faction that left for the other side of Azeroth long ago. Now they’re distinctly different; having survived and maybe thrived in a new environment.

If playable high elves would be distinctly different from Blood Elves, I think most people would be happy? No duplicates, but still playable high elves.

But I agree that just duplicating blood elves is not a good solution.

  1. There are playable High Elves - they chose to be called Blood Elves though.
  2. If they’d make distinctively different race and called them High Elves people advocating for playable High Elves would probably be happy, yes. People who play Blood Elves that suddenly got relegated to being some off-shot race probably won’t be happy.