LivĂa once again, you said you wanted not to deal with pedantry and inconsistencies, so we keep coming back to the same point again and again now which you arenât addressing. Instead you keep going back to the same complexities of argument that you implied you were tired of. You called it cherry-picking. So OK, I can accommodate that, and I have.
I disentangled myself from everything else. From the lore. From the game. Even from the multiple times the developers told you it wasnât happening, up to and including the recent tweet which can only be read to say it isnât happening in Midnight.
And that comes back to the basic fact. Blood Elves and High Elves are the same race and they arenât adding the same race to the game twice. Now in response to that you went to your own pedantry and irrelevancies and cherry-picking because youâve never, ever been able to adequately address that core problem. Even Blizzard couldnât, thatâs why they created Void Elves.
I mean frankly you canât even admit theyâre the same race can you?
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To that question Iâve gotta pose a different question. Are Kul Tiran Humans somehow a completely, entirely different race to Stormwind Humans because they have a different model? Because at that point, weâre no longer operating off of âThey cannot be added because theyâre the same race.â
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Possibly, they shared an island with Vrykul (aka Drust) for a bit, who knew how that went.
In b4 someone say they have drust blood.
Spoiler, they do not. The drust tried to kill them all instead.
Edit: Damn too slow.
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LOL! Called it.
Well, no. We never got any indication of the Drust and the Kul Tiran mixing. Theyâre just musclefat Humans - who incidentally are being used in TWW by some Arathians. Unless youâre arguing that the Arathi themselves are a mixed race of Vrykul, Human and a few Elves too.
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Didnât get any denial either. But I do jest. I view the Kul Tirans as an expression of a big, muscular Human that they just label Kul Tiran for differentiation purposes whereas they could live in Stormwind as well.
But what it is an example of whataboutery. You shifted the conversation with a false parallel. Note how we are now talking about Kul Tirans because I am refuting the false parallel? In reality the parallel fails because Kul Tirans are still on the same faction as other Humans.
But again letâs get back to the fundamental problem.
Blood Elves and High Elves are the same race and always have been. This is why they arenât playable on the Alliance, they are not adding the same race twice. I have asked for that to be engaged with and instead I get digressions and false equivalences. But that is ok.
The reason this point is not engaged with, and all the lore and everything else is dragged up with layers upon layers of debate, is because your side has never been able to engage with that fundamental point.
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Itâs more comparable to The defias brotherhood and stormwind humans because those actually come from the same kingdom with the same culture and history, like belfs and SC. Should we add a defias AR as well then?
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Yes Iâve mentioned that before. Tends to get ignored though.
Unironically Yes.
Thatâs how the entire allied race system should have worked.
High Elves, Grimtotem, Farakki, random goblin cartel, random orc tribe for Alliance.
Defias, Dark Iron, Eredar, Dire Maul Nelves, Leper Gnomes for horde.
Then once you could be any race on any faction. Drop the faction barrier.
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Yeah they ignore anything that shatters their argument and answer any question they canât answer with another question. You canât reason with people who are obsessed
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That sounds absolutely horrible
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We want actual standards and consistency to be uphold. Something blizzard time and time have shown they canât do.
Blizzards only consistency, is to be inconsistent.
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The Kul Tiran humans are former Gilnean settlers.
They have no relation to any native people on those islands what-so-ever. Being Gilnean settlers generations ago, they hail and originate [prior to Gilneas] from Strom and the Arathorian Empire.
2,700 years BDP, following their victory in the Troll Wars, the humans of Arathor expanded their empire in size and power. After the death of King Thoradin, the empire founded new city-states in the wilderness - including Gilneas. Those who had settled in the coastal region of Gilneas constructed a series of robust harbors, until the boldest of the sailors left their homes and went to sea. They scanned the horizon day and night for a new home, seeking a place that married land and sea to shelter their children from the ocean waves. Among them, the ancestor of House Stormsong was the first to hear the whispers of the Tidemother, which taught him and others the power of the seas. The sea eventually guided them to a large island to the south that was rich with metal ores and other valuable natural resources. Some stayed and founded a mighty maritime outpost named Kul Tiras,[5] while tidesages were sent to guide others to come to the island as well.[6] On the island, the Gilnean colonists encountered the native vrykul known as the Drust,[7] and though they tried peace when they landed there, the Drust immediately went to war. They raided the humansâ fledgling hamlets and settlements for generations, until a decisive conflict broke out between the two sides.[8]
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Gilneas_(kingdom)
Or is someone going to fight these sources as well?
Please. I havenât had enough of that today already.
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Blizzard is consistently showing you they donât want to give the alliance an exact blood elf copy.
Wait seriously?
You think thatâs a good idea?
You are so desperate to get a duplicate of a core Horde race youâd support trashing both Alliance and Horde?
Why not just abolish the factions entirely so there is no Alliance and Horde and so the Blood Elves wouldnât have any allegiance to the Horde? Then you could have no alignment to the Horde and play a thalassian elf and all you would to give up is the Alliance.
Why not argue for that? After all you clearly indicate you believe the factions to be meaningless, so why not get rid of them entirely if theyâre the problem for you?
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Thatâs because I donât think people here are denying that the Blood Elves and High Elves are the same race when you get to it. Just that the latter are a staple of the Alliance as shown in-game, and have had a far greater impact from WotLK onwards. Youâre putting words in my mouth.
As for the Kul Tirans, I asked it specifically brought them up because theyâre an example of the same race being added in, without any added difference magical difference, based solely on cultural ones (and a different model, I guess?). So now weâve moved the goalpost beyond âwe canât have the same race added twice.â to âTheyâre Horde, and shouldnât be on the Allianceâ - but weâve got Void Elves who are identical to BElves by this point.
I cannot say I follow, sorry. But do feel free to expand on it. Did the Defias feature extensively with the Alliance, beyond antagonists? Were they ever portrayed as integrated Alliance troops at any point in the gameâs story?
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Consistency, such as from 2004 onwards saying Alliance High Elves wonât be added and sticking to that as of 2026? Sounds consistent to me.
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What are you even quoting that wall of text for, little buddy. Does it say at any moment that the Kul Tirans mixed in with the native Drust as I was replied to before? Or that the Kul Tirans arenât Human?
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Blizzard have shown ignorance to their own actions in-game. And an inability to actually keep their lore consistent. Prime example, the chronicles books which were meant to be definite lore, but got retconned shortly after.
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You seemed to be muddy on the details.
I figured Iâd provide them.
Youâre welcome, by the way.