Yeah, the lore is a bit messy? Whatâs your point? You still havenât been able to challenge the fact that Blood Elves and High Elves are the same reason and Blizzard wonât add the same race to the game twice, which is why Void Elves exist.
Because all of those points are completely irrelevant, both lorewise and gameplay wise.
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Muddy on the details? Where?
The argument boiled down to âHigh Elves cannot be added because they are the same race as Blood Elvesâ and that all the difference is underlied by political factors. So I asked whether Kul Tirans are somehow a different race to the core Human race, since that also boils down to political and cultural differences.
And apparently got an answer that theyâre mixed race of Vrykul and Humans, which lol, no.
Iâd still love to know what that wall of text is meant to show. 
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They did until the rebellion. And they were part of the uncrowned during legion so they could come back to the alliance in the future.
Somewhat? In the Human heritage questline, Vanessa sort of disbands all of them. But some refuse, and continue to be bandits and pillagers. They also show up as antagonists and enemies in Arathi. So I donât see that to be a good analogy.
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Which the text arguably answers, hence why it was shared. Theyâre not.
Youâre welcome, again.
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Thatâs exactly my point. Thank you for helping me prove it.
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And this is why you lost the argument. Everything anyone else says? Itâs pedantry, or cherrypicking.
When you do it, it is citing the lore.
When people point out something Blizzard says, oh no itâs Blizzard being inconsistent. Or, quite literally, you seem to imply it is because Blizzard has it in for you.
When everything else is taken off the table and the basic point is put to you that Blood Elves are High Elves, you say it doesnât matter.
Which leads to one conclusion.
Youâve invested your time in the wrong story. Iâve heard people complain longly and loudly about stories. My brother is a big enough Star Wars fan for me to know that. And I have seen plenty of folks go to websites like fanfiction . nettt to try and express themselves with how they think things should have gone.
But this has to be the one fandom where a group of players not only tells the authors they donât like what they are doing, not only insist said authors are wrong, but actively demand the authors change everything to suit the headcanon narrative constructed by that group and actually take it personally when that doesnât happen.
LivĂa I donât know what story universe youâd enjoy but it clearly isnât this one given your contempt for its basic premise, how the story has unfolded, and the fact you actually suggested giving Orcs to the Alliance as part of your solution.
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Itâs still better than the kul tirans, the defias are stormwind humans that broke off from the kingdom, which is the same as the SC that are silvermoon elves that broke off from their kingdom. Besides the kul tirans donât even look like the stormwind humans, and we have both seen how you helf fans react when your high elves look a bit different. So how is yours a better analogy?
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But the Kul Tirans have never been described to be âŚ
⌠[brings up the latest known and confirmed sources] âŚ
⌠âall but extinctâ.
As a people, the high elves are all but extinct: the remnants of the remnants of a fallen race.[19] They cannot even truly be said to have a culture, only a past filled with glory and regret.[2]
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf
Or âŚ
In relation to the playable races, Blizzard has stated that the high elves have a considerably smaller population than even the Gnomeregan Exiles.[74] High elves are a rare sight even in Alliance lands,[123] and are considered a fallen, all-but-extinct race.[124]
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf
I will emphasize that my position this entire thread has been:
So if you were gunning for some kindaâ gotchaâ-moment, Iâm sorry to disappoint.
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See though the digression? Youâre off debating Kul Tirans now because he didnât want to answer the main question here, are Blood Elves and High Elves identical? He instead answered it with his question, and whilst you take the false parallel he proposed apart, he moves away from the main question.
Remember, the only answer to are Blood Elves and High Elves identical is yes. But if you answer yes, then thatâs it, you have to admit you are asking to make Blood Elves neutral. So they wonât say yes if they can help it. Sometimes they will say no, but thatâs incorrect. But then they start laying out all the reason they said no, which really boils down they like the Alliance, but they can never back up that no.
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Iâm very happy to see that youâre in youâre able to navigate the Warcraft.wiki. But my question was aimed to a statement arguing that since High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race, they cannot be added in twice. Try to read up some more.
Beyond that, the sources you list are a forum admin that worked for one year from 2005 (not a developer!!!), a deprecated Classic-era part of the website and a 2001 novel (and maybe a 2008 novel, I think?). You seem really pent up that weâre no longer in 2005 - but WoW has moved long past that point and the highlight theyâve received since then doesnât indicate âextinct raceâ as clearly as it did back in 2003/2004. Get on with the times, weâre in 2026 almost.
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This game again
Every time Blizzard says something that goes against High Elves the pro High Elf community desperately tries to find way to discredit them. Iâve never been able to play that game though, there has been nothing said by a dev that goes against my side of the argument.
Perhaps you feel the same way, just in reverse? Do you ever think it would be nice to have a source actually backing you up? You know, even once? I mean even that tweet you folks got excited about over the past week pretty much confirmed Alliance High Elves werenât happening.
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I donât know about all that, Iâm afraid. I am merely using the latest confirmed sources.
Are you saying that the page on Warcraft Wiki and its information is incorrect?
Iâd love to have an answer on this from someone, at long last.
Perhaps you can pick up where Linir refused to provide an answer.
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âlEt Me aNsWer tHaT wItH aNOtHeR qUeStIoNâ
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Letâs sit back and watch the mental gymnastics once more.
Do you have popcorn? I forgot mine.
Just pointing out that youâre conveniently choosing to ignore that theyâve had a consistent presence in WoWâs storytelling and they have dedicated entries in Warcraft.Wikiâs in just about every expansion. In favor of fixating solely some quote from a 2001 novel and 2005 forum administratorâs post.
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This entire thread Iâve repeated that it might very well indicate something.
But so far weâve got no sources that in any way contradict the known and confirmed information and its sources, no matter how old it is. Warcraft Wiki, its administrators, contributors and others seem to agree.
Since it hasnât been changed nor any new sources added. Nor that disputes them.
Any answers to the question yet? Iâve waited so long from you all âŚ
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Probably something to the extent that sourcing your entire argumentation from a 2001 novel and a 2005 community moderatorâs post isnât the rebuke to playable High Elves that you think it is - as much as post-2009 sources point to their viability. Iâm sorry itâs so difficult to get past that mental block. 
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Blizzard, please give the Alliance High Elves in 12.1 
You can see this debate will never end 
- you just need to put an end to it once and for all and give the Alliance High Elves!
Itâs time to finally deliver what players have been asking for over the past 21 years 
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