High Elves in 12.1 šŸ’™

Yet, here’s the kicker. It’s not my text. You’ll then have to argue that the decided upon database for information about World of Warcraft and its mythos is to blame. Or its contributors and writers, regarding these details.

Agreed?

It’s not Sahaan Wiki, correct? It’s not my source, I didn’t add it.

It’s Warcraft Wiki. And its main page featuring the High Elf.

So, again I ask:

Why won’t you give me an answer to the question? Any of you?

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While many of us are presenting our opinion based on story and lore, you’re asking your question based on in-game models.

That’s why Gilnean Human (worgen cursed) and big beefy strongmen from Kul Tiras are added as a variation of CORE HUMAN RACE, thus Allied Race.

The playable Kul Tiran have different customization than other 2 human races. But we’re speaking only about playable Kul Tirans. All over Kul Tiras you can see normal human models (cough - Derek, Katherine, Jaina) or skinny Kul Tirans (which are not part of customization option).

The present Kul Tirans settled in Kul Tiras like 2000+ years ago.
The thing is, what you’re pointing out, are the playable models. Yes, but also no - they’re the same humans as Stormwind ones. Blizz can literally add Kul Tiran model as customization to core race Humans - because the Kul Tiran model is just one variation how do Humans look in game (btw. they made them bulkier and stronger to reflect their naval culture).

Kul Tiran, OG Humans and Gilenan (hell even the Forsaken) are all Human Race, with distinct models and visuals. They’re not different race, they have only different variations.

Are Quel’dorei or Sin’dorei distinct in any way? Blue eyes? Is Vereesa or Alleria looking different than Liadrin? Is Halduron looking different than Romath? - If your previous statement should be followed, then all new added High Elven People should be visually distinct from their Sin’dorei brethren (new models, and totally different customization). Is it what HE fanatics want? - No! They want exact same copy with new name and it’s only matter of time when they’ll start screaming that Silvermoon should be Alliance and Sin’dorei should pack and sail off to Orgrimmar.

What you want in High Elves is the same as if anyone else was asking for Shen’dralar as allied race - same model as Kaldorei but different name. That would be adding same race twice.

LF Draenei vs Draenei - we have clear evidence why they’re as playable allied race - infused with Light - not sharing any customization, racial, mounts with Draenei.
Blood Elves were not infused with fel to the point, it would make them so distinct from High Elves, so they should be considered as different race.

Do you consider Human from Stormwind to be different race as the Human who survied Lordareon or Humans from Stromgarde?

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You keep being given the answers ignore them and cry to high heaven that no one answers you. Its mental lol

You are prolific in the wiki use then search on the Alliance tab to see which races are there.

Have fun.

I for one won’t waste another second on your shenanigans.

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You’re so strange, I feel like you’re talking to yourself :grimacing:

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No one will give you answer - that wouldn’t follow their narrative then.
For each of your question you will get another question.

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Where? Where have you answered the question? Quote it.

Where have you stated what’s wrong on the page? What should be changed?

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Plenty of people replying to me, actually. We’re having a lively discussion.

Perhaps you’re having some connection issues?

You should ask your best friend ChatGPT all about it.

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Your answers here resemble messages from a very early beta version of ChatGPT :grimacing:

That happens on both sides.

I’d imagine that to many people the proper use of grammar ends up looking like it’s automated. Those people should pick up a book every once in a while, study some writing.

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I’m really sorry this happened to you. Or glad it did - I’m not reading any of that sorry. :frowning:

Whenever somebody offers you information to the contrary from far more recent times - you trace back to citing something from 2001 from the warcraft.wiki. So we’re stuck and locked in a loop, where any presence of High Elves in the lore or world is trumped by ā€œumm, they’re actually dead because a 2005 forum moderator said so, along with a 2001 novelā€. Did you spend any time in an academic environment - where more recent sources are better regarded?

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Said the person who’s only friend is chatgpt

Are the newer and contradictory sources in the room with us right now?

If so, have they been missed by the team over at Warcraft Wiki then? My source is the main page on High Elves by Warcraft Wiki. The sources they use is on that team and their work. I’ve merely linked to it.

Feel free to provide the sources you think they should be using instead, if so.

So, again I ask …

It’s a simple yes or no answer to the first question. Very easy.

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Let’s be friends! But first, you need to stop hating on the High Elves :innocent:

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They didn’t miss anything, actually. All of the information sourced and documented on the article very nicely and with time-sensitive details of when they’re from. You just seem to be stuck on that 2001 source and ignore anything else from that point onwards.

It seems as though you have some issue with reading and citing beyond those three sources. One of which isn’t really canon, unless you consider forum moderators as being involved with the game in a creative sense.

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After you get some professional help to get over the unhealthy obsession sure.

I don’t hate high elves, but they are a bit boring to me. It’s just contrarian blood elves with a human fetish

That’s why you only participate in threads about High Elves, as can be seen from your forum history😬

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Where’s that source? Do you have a link somewhere? So far there’s been no links.

Because if there’s been one in the discussions, we’ve certainly missed it. I’ve missed it.

Please, quote it. I’ll also send it along to Warcraft Wiki in their Discord.

So then, you are saying that the page on Warcraft Wiki is incorrect?

Do I understand you correctly? This far more recent source would then need to be introduced to the writers for Warcraft Wiki and the page changed, naturally.

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When i go on the forums I lurk more unless I like or dislike something enough to participate.

In this case it’s not the high elves I have a problem with, it’s the lunatic fans that throw temper tantrums when being told no

It’s not as if Blizzard keeps up a constant dialogue on the use of Alliance High Elves you know. The statements we have on them are vastly more than some ever get on their own topics of interest.

You are continually attacking the use of sources on the grounds of age and have repeated this for several replies in a row. I have to conclude you feel you have stumbled across a rich and fertile vein of argument.

But in all honesty, this response is dumb. I mean, this is a really, really dumb response. Lore isn’t like milk, it doesn’t go off or curdle in the sun if you leave it out too long. It is valid until such time as it explicitly retconned.

And you attack on the Caydiem post is beyond silly. I mean, do you think she made that up on the fly? Don’t you think Metzen or someone else at the time may have objected to a moderator taking it upon themselves to begin shaping the lore? I mean look what happened to Tseric after he snapped on the forums, he was gone within days, and this would be much worse if she were making stuff up.

Perhaps…and admittedly this is wild speculation but bear with me here…perhaps Caydiem ASKED someone with the authority to make that decision before she made that post. Because that is logically what would have happened at the time.

So let us get the following sorted, shall we?

Any lore post from any Blizzard employee is a valid source UNTIL it is explicitly retconned by a future lore source. They don’t have expiry dates, so even if the post were written in 1981 it would still be valid, and this particular post has not been retconned.

I get that it is frustrating for you that you have zero sources yourself to cite, but that is simply the nature of the argument.