High Elves in 12.1 💙

[Kaeros-dentarg]

There is no contrary information. It is a subjective interpretation of the same ten or so Silver Covenant Elves that have shown up on two three occasions since Mists of Pandaria.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

I don’t really need to quote anything since you’re so faithfully quoting the Warcraft.wiki ad-infinitum. Click on it - and then go from the Burning Crusade section down to The War Within one. Glad I could help and happy reading on the not-so-extinct High Elves.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

Yes. The Silver Covenant is indeed formed out of “the same ten or so Silver Covenant Elves”, indeed.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

Oh! So, you’re then saying that the page is incorrect but only the opening paragraphs? Just so I know and can check which parts, have a re-read myself and for others as well.

But do I understand you correctly that you’re saying, for everyone here, that the main page for High Elves on the Warcraft Wiki is incorrect? It’s false?

Are you locked in on that? Your answer in the Hot Chair is (B) The site is incorrect!

You have verifiable sources that definitively contradict the available information. There is no doubt as to any of the details in present day with the information and sources you posses. That in full replace the available information that is already cited and its sources. Which, I mean, I assume is the bare minimum for a change such as this - yes?

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

Are you saying that the page on Warcraft Wiki and its information is incorrect?

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

What’s incorrect on this page?

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf

[Elcorynd-argent-dawn]

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Blizzard, if you don’t announce the High Elves on 19 August, I’m deleting WoW

Yet, you’re still here …

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Make the High Elves part of the Alliance! Millions of players are waiting for this, and you’ll earn millions of dollars from the race change.

Milions players, eh?

@Ангеланика-gordunni

a shock and deep disappointment for tens of thousands of players who have been waiting for playable High Elves

So is it ‘miliion’ or ten thousands?

@Ангеланика-gordunni

thousands of players would gladly purchase the race change service

So it’s now only thousands? I am confused? By the Christmas is it gonna be two dozens?

Your only point that you’re rambling again and again is this

@Ангеланика-gordunni

High Elves have been in the Alliance since the very beginning of Warcraft lore!

And they still are! Ask chatGPT where to find them if you wannna play one. Good luck!

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Your answers here resemble messages from a very early beta version of ChatGPT

Why are you hating your only friend?

@Yojeong-kazzak

@Elcorynd-argent-dawn

No one will give you answer - that wouldn’t follow their narrative then.
For each of your question you will get another question.

That happens on both sides.

Are you sure? It takes but a minute to scroll here and you’ll see the answers.

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

Whenever somebody offers you information to the contrary from far more recent times - you trace back to citing something from 2001 from the warcraft.wiki. So we’re stuck and locked in a loop, where any presence of High Elves in the lore or world is trumped by “umm, they’re actually dead because a 2005 forum moderator said so, along with a 2001 novel”. Did you spend any time in an academic environment - where more recent sources are better regarded?

Do you have any source of information? If yes, feel free to post here in the chat, people are eager to get new information to know what is the current status.

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Let’s be friends! But first, you need to stop hating on the High Elves

How about you will start with yourself and stop hating anything what other people are saying … look below

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Today, a strange granny spoke there, who clearly invented these ugly new elf-trolls and is very happy

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Don’t drown in your own bile, defender of grandmothers

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Don’t bother writing your highly intellectual posts in my threads, clown

@Ангеланика-gordunni

@Kaeros-dentarg

Those elves from Silvermoon that prioritised their relationship with Humans over their own people are the traitors in this case. That’s what you call someone who betrays their people for a foreign government.

Really?

Stop writing your gibberish
Go study the history of Azeroth

All your arguments boil down to “blah-blah-blah”. You’re like a little boy who’s afraid someone will take his bottle of milk away

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Did your mental hospital get hooked up to the internet today?

@Ангеланика-gordunni

Did you sneak out of the ward again, stinky? Did they let you use the internet today?

@Ангеланика-gordunni

I won’t even try to argue with an idiot. Keep being a local troll

You call for non toxic environment and to be friends.
You were presenting yourself long ago as someone who was being always attack for who you are! Yet you cannot act civilized on the forum.

So - as OP - what are the reasons, valid reason, why High Elves should be separate playable race (others who support this feel free to elaborate).

As I stated before - I am all for adding new customizatons or expanding the story to cover the addition of High Elves. But I want your statement why it should happen.

@Elcorynd-argent-dawn

Sometimes I think the easiest move would be to rename existing elves to Quel’dorei and make them playable on both factions.

All of them would start in Eversong Woods at level 1.
By completing some storyline you would be offered to further play as:

• og Quel’dorei (chosing Horde or Alliance as allegiance for further development, similar to Pandaren, with specific high elven customization, mounts, armor)
• Sin’dorei - Horde - with their specific customization option only for Sin’dorei (with own heritage armor, mounts)
• Ren’dorei - Alliance - with specific customization option only for Ren’dorei (again own heritage and mounts)

There are options how to make this possible, but adding another separate allied race is not the way.

The storyline mentioned above can be clearly designed as pre destrucion Quel’thalas culminating in story of Arthas attacking Quel’thalas and destorying the Sunwell.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Yes. Exactly. You are continually objecting to the use of ‘old’ sources which are cited to prove the Alliance High Elves are a nearly dead grouping. Nothing in those sources contradicts the existence of the Silver Covenant, only every Alliance High Elf being dead would contradict their existence.

You cite their ‘presence’ in multiple expansions, but each appearance is literally the same group of Elves. If there were only two Quaggas left in the world, and they were displayed together at five different zones at different times of the year, are there two Quaggas or ten?

There are two. And yet the Quaggas would be very much almost extinct (in reality they are extinct but they suffice for the explanation).

If you reuse the few remaining members of the same almost dead group in several different spots that doesn’t mean they aren’t almost dead.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

Can you quote me where I said that the page is incorrect? I’m just pointing out that you’re conveniently focusing on a 2001 source and a 2005 forum moderator’s take - to the detriment of all of the other sources posted in it. Which is kind of a disservice to all the people who complied and contributed to the resource.

@Kaeros-dentarg

If you reuse the few remaining members of the same almost dead group in several different spots that doesn’t mean they aren’t almost dead.

There’s quite a bit more than just Silver Covenant Elves showing up in the wonderful article that Sahaan is linking every time he posts up. The Silver Covenant has had the most attention narratively given to it, that much is true.

[Yojeong-kazzak]

@Elcorynd-argent-dawn

Are you sure? It takes but a minute to scroll here and you’ll see the answers.

Yes im sure. Both sides have been ignoring quite alot on what their argument is about.

One keeps pointing towards why because of the past while the other side argues more about the future on what can happen.

One is more obsessed with what he wants only (blood elf avatar) and one side is open for both belf and velf in terms of customization.

I dont agree that Alliance MUST have High elves for argument sake. I just want more customizations for both. Something I would actually enjoy and sometimes use.

One keeps spamming the same thing over and over again and when he got the answer, he still didnt even understand and keeps spamming it.

Its literally an ongoing thing.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

@Yojeong-kazzak

One keeps spamming the same thing over and over again and when he got the answer, he still didnt even understand and keeps spamming it.

He’ll continue spamming, and I’ll feed him because anybody who stumbles on this thread by chance will see how abrasive it is and illogical the anti-HElf posters can get. It’s good fuel so god bless. + it pushes the thread up, so w/e.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

Can you quote me where I said that the page is incorrect? I’m just pointing out that you’re conveniently focusing on a 2001 source and a 2005 forum moderator’s take - to the detriment of all of the others.

I am not focusing on any sources but the main page about High Elves on Warcraft Wiki.

I have quoted the body text on the Warcraft Wiki, not the sources they and their team uses. Naturally that information claims to be written using those sources. But I did not add them.

The Warcraft Wiki team did.

However, a fraction of the high elves refused to rename themselves blood elves, and while they are physiologically the same race, the difference is only political.[15] Unwilling to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor’themar exiled from Quel’Thalas those who refused to follow the ways of the blood elves,[16] while others chose to rejoin their former allies, arriving to a cold reception due to their previous secession.[2] Since high elves did not gather in any significant numbers and are a very small group of individuals, they are a rare sight across Azeroth, and are commonly mistaken for blood elves.[17][18]

As a people, the high elves are all but extinct: the remnants of the remnants of a fallen race.[19] They cannot even truly be said to have a culture, only a past filled with glory and regret.[2] Though they are scattered all over the world, without common opinions, goals, or any official leader,[2] Ranger General Vereesa Windrunner founded the Silver Covenant, a militant faction of high elves affiliated with the Alliance in Dalaran City. Following the Battle for Quel’Danas, Captain Auric Sunchaser of the Allerian Stronghold became the high elven representative at the restored Sunwell.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf

Can we agree that this text is part of the opening five paragraphs for the main page about High Elves on the Warcraft Wiki, as has been linked repeatedly above? Which uses

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

a 2001 source and a 2005 forum moderator’s take

as a footnote source as added by the Warcraft Wiki team?

It’s not Sahaan Wiki nor am I a contributor to the site or its pages.

I’ve absolutely nothing to do with the content of that site. I’ve merely linked it.

So, again I will ask:

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

Are you saying that the page on Warcraft Wiki and its information is incorrect?

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Nothing in that article disproves the long-established and almost universally accepted truth that the Alliance High Elves are the remnant of a remnant. What exactly are you seeing in there that seemingly contradicts that?

[Ангеланика-gordunni]

Guys, let’s live in harmony, just stop being stinky and haters

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

Well, yeah. But half of the playable races are a “remnant of a remnant”, so I’ve gotta ask in return what does that prove?

[Ангеланика-gordunni]

@Elcorynd-argent-dawn

Why are you hating your only friend?

You stink, stop bullying me

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

It arguably proves that that is the latest, official and confirmed [by an officially published work] stance and state of the high elves as per any confirmed material or information in World of Warcraft and by Blizzard Entertainment.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

No, that’s where you are wrong and where the genius of the phrase lies.

Those races are remnants. Gnomes are a remnant. Draenei are a remnant. Even Blood Elves are a remnant. Yet Alliance High Elves are a remnant of a remnant, in other words no matter how bad you think any of those other races are doing, Alliance High Elves are doing a whole magnitude worse.

Also I kinda asked for what you were seeing in the article and you kinda didn’t do that and changed the subject. Wow you really do do that.

[Elcorynd-argent-dawn]

Ok, live long and prosper. Enjoy playing your elven priest!
Since you can communicate only as a kindergartnere I refuse to be anymore active in any of threads you’ll open.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

You get used to it. I still haven’t received my yes or no regarding Warcraft Wiki.

It’d be so simple.

It’s a yes or no question, yet they refuse.

Because they can’t answer it.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

There’s about a hundred or so Darkspear that have survived canonically by the time of Shadow of the Horde’s novel, and Vol’jin personally knows each and every one of them in existence. Rise of the Horde also lists the Frostwolf Orcs as numbering in 80 members (and only 3 of those are kids). There’s also a few hundred Draenei in existence (or low thousands depending on the source from TBC). Void Elves are a described as a ‘crack squad’ but atleast with them you can make the case that they recruit readily from a pool of pre-existing HElves and BElves. And the Tauren are a fraction of their initial population, having barely evaded extinction at the hands of the Centaur.

Don’t use the numbers argument, because it has 0 bearing on the viability of whether a race is rendered as playable or not.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

Can you quote me where I said that the page is incorrect?

That’s not what I said either, I asked for clarification and if I understood you correctly.

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

But do I understand you correctly that you’re saying, for everyone here, that the main page for High Elves on the Warcraft Wiki is incorrect? It’s false?

Because you wrote, and I quote …

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

not-so-extinct High Elves

… in response to the main High Elf page on Warcraft Wiki when the opening paragraphs read …

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

As a people, the high elves are all but extinct:

Since you’re suggesting they very much aren’t [do I have that right?], there must be a discrepancy in the opening paragraphs which quite clearly state they’re “all-but-extinct”.

And that would mean the page is … incorrect. No?