The answer above also works for this too! Read it please.
But please quote me where I said the page is incorrect, because you have 10+ posts so far where youāre asking me! Though you received the answer plenty of times - I hope you solve this issue.
Rise of the Horde is a book that has been explicitly retconned given the fact that it describes locations that couldnāt possibly have existed at the time, before the corruption of Draenor and before locations of Warlords of Draenor were better known to heroes. But that is explainable.
In universe, Rise of the Horde was written by Thrall. He pens the foreward and outro. In other words, by a man who wasnāt there and hadnāt even set foot on the planet and he clearly badly advised what he was told but given the Orcs had been through the lethargy, three wars and several relocations getting thos facts wrong is hardly the worst sin in the world.
Shadows of the Horde, it has been a while since I read it so I cannot substantiate what you say. Can you supply a page number so I can consult my copy. If you cannot, I have to invoke Hitchens Razor, that which is asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
Low thousands for Draenei seems to be enough for viability as some have argued that is equivalent population for Blood Elves. There are several Draenei population centres in Outland as well.
Void Elves are the exception in that they transform other Elves, so long as there are Blood Elves and High Elves willing to embrace the void as Priest Ennas has, you can have more Void Elves.
And yes, Tauren are a remnant, we established that, but not a remnant of a remnant.
The numbers argument is viable lorewise because it was the reason given for why High Elves werenāt playable in 2005 and in 2018 when Ion was asked on the Jessie Cox stream.
And of courese, ALL OF THAT MISSES THE POINT.
Once again, the real reason this didnāt happen is that Blood Elves ARE High Elves and they arenāt adding the same race to the game twice, especially not to the opposing faction.
As mentioned above ā¦
You wrote ā¦
ā¦ despite the opening paragraphs clearly reading ā¦
As a people, the high elves are all but extinct
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf
ā¦ to which I asked for clarification whether I understood you correctly that you then oppose the opening paragraphs and that they are, thus, incorrect. Since they, you know ā¦ are what they are.
That would, in my opinion, create a discrepancy.
You saying that they very much arenāt extinct, the text reading āall but extinctā.
Please dont tell me you have been spamming over and over again because you dont know how to read?
If Iāve ever received a yes or no answer to my question, I humbly request you quote it.
Because I definitely missed it. If thatās the case.
He answered you that the page is correct but you are stuck with reading the first few lines. You tried to tell him he didnt answer you and kept spamming.
Then the last post you made were even more weird.
āAll but extinctā do not mean āthey are extinctā.
You quoted him saying that they are not extinct trying to prove hes trying to say the information is wrong.
But it does arguably mean ā¦
all but
adverb
[ā¦]
: very nearly : almost
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/all%20but
Secondly, Iāve not claimed anything. Iāve asked for clarifications.
To ensure I do not make assumptions or misunderstand.
Since as the response was given ā¦
You literally had the opinion that he oppose the opening paragraphs since he said they are not extinct. Remember. This is a book written 2008 as you should be fully aware of. Do that mean it has to be the exact same 2026? Or do you mean to say every high elf is now extinct because you believe āall but extinctā means extinct?
If you are not actively making assumptions or trying to create misunderstandings I would be very surprised. I started to assume you have to be a troll at this point.
Edit: Thank god I were right that he has to be a troll at this point. Spamming the same thing over and over even when he got an answer is beyond trolling. Atleast I know now I can skip anything he writes from now on.
Fascinating stuff. But the point addressed at the moment is that apparently the High Elves are far too low in numbers to be added.
So parts of old lore are indeed retconned by the addition of new lore and , but on the topic of High Elves, itās somehow an exempt from the rule. Even if it too displays consistency issues.
Also, I just checked its Warcraft.wiki entry, and according to its author, āIt is indeed considered canon save for some minor changes so enjoy!ā
For this, the Exodar Draenei that crashland seem to be in the few hundreds during the starting zone quest. But at the end of the quest, Velen addresses the player that Azuremyst will become the home of thousands to come. Does he refer to children and families come during their habitation on Azuremyst long-term - or that Azuremyst will become a staging ground for Draenei all around the universe to congregate?
I donāt actually have my own copy at the moment, but you can trust me on it - in that Volājin knew ever single Darkspear tribesman, and did his best to know them. Same way that Jaina herself did her best to know and learn of every Theramore resident.
Thatās actually something we both agree on. The lore imperative and notion that thereās far too few High Elves to be added in as a playable race is of no consequence given the above. And the reason is that theyāre too similar to Blood Elves, especially when added to the opposite side. But even then, to quote another senior developer when asked about the topic last month. The barriers between factions are pretty shaky atm.
you should never say never - who would have thought years ago weād eventually have cross faction play? You never know what the future may bring
I need to go off for now. Iāll try to get back to replying tomorrow or so to if you do write back.
Where are Erwin and Gabriella? 
At least they were fun to be around, unlike these bores who reject any arguments and facts 
Hugely selective response but not unexpected. I have never said older lore CANNOT be retconned. I merely say it SHOULD be EXPLICITLY retconned. You are declaring the retcon invaldi merely because it is old.
Thatās not how retconning works.
And I bet you anything Knaak made that comment around the time of its release, long before Warlords of Draenor retconned much of it. Itās important to note that what was retconned was geography and scale of course, the story itself is still relatively canon, but references to Hellfire peninsula for example donāt work when we know that would have been Taanan Jungle. I also recall that the Tides of Darkness novelization by Aaron Rosenberg made reference to thousands of Orc sailors manning the ships of the Horde fleet and that annoying me because it didnāt match the tiny scale of the population Knaak described in Rise of the Horde, though I was more annoyed at Knaak because his paltry numbers clearly didnāt make sense storywise. Letās be honest, Knaak messed up the numbers in his book but he gave us a story out because in universe Thrall wrote the book.
On Shadows of the Horde, am I afraid I canāt trust you on it. I need to see the lines with my own eyes and interpret it. If you cannot recall where in the book it is, I cannot judge it nor can I interpret it. Hitchens Razer applies in that case.
The lore reason is important in that it is the explanation offered to folks storywise for their unplayability and this in reflected in universe through the use of the same small group of High Elves. And they arenāt SIMILAR to Blood Elves. Void Elves are SIMILAR. Similar gets you an allied race.
They are IDENTICAL. Thatās the problem.
And the thing about that final quote is that you put stock in it. Ion said in 2018, ānever say neverā as well and folks used that as a retort, just as your doing here. Itās meaningless as an indicator. It merely means things could change and they arenāt going to say something now that can be used against them in future. But the time that has passed is telling. The tweet from this week confirms they arenāt happening in Midnight (after all, why advocate for folks to raise their voices if they were coming? Also remember the tweet he responded to was generic and mentioned Ogres and Tortollan. AND he did respond to someone asking about High Elves with a question of his own, and that question was very passively worded but clearly rhetorical, meant to show why they havenāt been added) and if they arenāt happening in Midnight when a narrative justification COULD have been put together, then when?
But we started down this particular line here regarding me requesting a source.
Because in response to the Warcraft Wiki main page about High Elves, you suggest Iām stuck on a particular source. A source added, used and written for by the Warcraft Wiki team. As weāve established itās not called Sahaan Wiki [I wish!], I have nothing to do with it.
Youāre suggesting here that one source added by the team [contributor] isnāt really canon.
Do I have that right?
"Unless you consider [ā¦] ". The only thing I consider is that the information on the Warcraft Wiki is the latest confirmed and official sources available for the information provided. Personally, I have no stake in the information. I am using the main page for High Elves by the Warcraft Wiki site in discussions about High Elves because I expect and consider it to be a reputable source of the latest confirmed information.
That is all. I couldnāt care less about its content in question. I cite it, I use it.
As such, if thereās something wrong with the source ā¦ thereās reason to suggest thereās issue with the page - no? And if thereās an issue with the page, then, well ā¦
None of you are able to provide a yes or no answer to the question.
Because doing so would understandably paint you into a corner.
If you answer yes, you have to suggest that you have an official source that thousands of people using the Warcraft Wiki pages would agree is credible enough to contradict the existing sources and the contents of the page. Which you donāt. If you had that supposed evidence or proof, you wouldāve posted it long ago. You wouldnāt āwasteā your time replying to my insufferable and pointless repeating because youād simply lead me straight to the answer. Youād shut me up with an official link or quote and thatād be that.
But you donāt, because it doesnāt exist. Instead, you have to resort to endless justifications and strawman arguments, ignoring etc.
If you answer no, you have to suggest that the information is correct and that any suggestions any of you make regarding this topic is either pure speculation or wishes for what you want to see more of or the direction you would like for the game to take. Which is more than fine, itās the complete denial most of us are reacting to. And if that is the future we are headed towards, those sources [whether quests, dialogue or otherwise] would eventually end up on those pages for you to happily use in future threads.
Yet until such a time, all you can arguably do is skirt around the issue.
The bane of these discussions are the existing facts. No matter how old.
I am not saying itās not problematic that the last existing confirmed source material regarding High Elves are nearly or over twenty years old. Iām not saying that there arenāt a fel of a lot of content in World of Warcraft that in itself seems to potentially contradict that the High Elves are as insignificant as the latest sources make them out to be.
But until such a time that I see an official source that claims otherwise, I too am stuck with having to reckon with that reality.
And from a personal standpoint I will fight tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this mythos and the official information in it. In the same way I will fight tooth and nail if someone in the future comes to discriminate on the High Elves if new information does come, the race is say implemented and available, and a new group comes along that says āHigh Elves are just reskinned Blood Elves, theyāre not real!ā. If thereās a basis they are, Iād fight for it.
ā¦ I think thatās everything. If anyone cares.
Kaeros and Sahaan two boreeeeees
Your poor girlfriends/wives, how they put up with you 
How kind of you to prove my pointāthank you.
You certainly didnāt have to, but I appreciate it.
Have a good night! Keep me updated on alpha spoilers!
IRL I would literally tell you the same. I donāt expect you to be a friend, so donāt expect me to be a friend to you.
The fact you favor an AI over a human being because the AI agrees with you or allows you to make sloppy AI art that actively hurts other human artists by stealing their artworks for training the AI, tells a lot about your morals.
In other words āthe end justifies the meansā mentality.
If you decided to talk about morality, then letās start with your attitude toward players who just want to play their favorite race. You come here and mock their wishes, you devalue everything they
say, and you even bully me just because I mentioned that I chat with ChatGPT about different topics
You are a hypocrite and the most disgusting hater in this entire thread! Get lost and never come back! Do you hear me? Never come back here again!
Iām sending a beam of pure karma right into your bubble! 
YOU ALREADY CAN, FFS! Thatās literally what most here talked about for 7 days!
But because it isnāt āyour visionā, you keep complaining like a stubborn, old Hag!
You donāt get to tell me what to do and what not.
Capslock, ageism, sexism - all in the style of haters, give me more. I want more!
You talk about morality, but somehow think that insulting people makes you the moral one. I donāt āfavorā AI over humans - I just donāt live in fear of technology. AI is just another creative tool, like Photoshop or 3D modeling once were
Itās funny how you pretend to defend artists while using that as an excuse to attack people you personally dislike. Maybe try learning how AI actually works before throwing around big moral speeches 