High Elves in 12.1 💙

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

• Absolutely not the same royal house
• absolutely not the same humans

Forsaken = Alliance of Lordaeron.

We have been over this.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

Actually they started as a Independent Race that wasn’t hostile to humans as both their Lodges were independent and dealt with groups that weren’t at the time part of the Alliance like Wildhammer Dwarves.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

They were a part of the Alliance in Warcraft II, when they withdrew, not all of them did and those who stayed lived amongst the humans and dwarves.

[Gabriela-hyjal]

So If i play the devil lawyer concept.

HE have 0 correlation with the actual alliance.

the alliance of lordaeron is no more. And the actual Alliance is not the same as HE fight for 3 years lol.

Another argument to say its irrelevant to add playable HE to an alliance they were in before.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

They were a part of the Alliance in Warcraft II, when they withdrew, not all of them did and those who stayed lived amongst the humans and dwarves.

Agree to disagree.

[Gabriela-hyjal]

for ~3 years what is absolutely nothing versus 7000 years

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

And that were still more years with Alliance prior to the Blood Elves joining Horde.

However, you are pivoting. We aren’t asking for Blood Elves. We are asking for the Alliance aligned High Elves.

This has been a perpetual cycle at this point.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

Forsaken = Alliance of Lordaeron.

We have been over this.

Actually Not really. Great Alliance is basically what Remained of the Alliance of Lordaeron after the Third War. Humans of Stormwind with Bronzebeard Dwarves and Gnomes of Gnomeregan. In a very literal sense they are Inheritors of that group. Unlike the New Horde that indeed became a new Entity formed by Orcs freed and following Thrall, Darkspear Tribe and Mullgore Tauren Tribes.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

They were a part of the Alliance in Warcraft II, when they withdrew, not all of them did and those who stayed lived amongst the humans and dwarves.

Yes and those that didn’t plus those that left after barely made 1% of Entire High Elf Population Before the Third War. Also their Membership laster 3 years. Of their few Thousand years long History…

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Kaeros-dentarg

Yeah but the thing is you seem to think that if you keep asking loudly enough for long enough you’ll get them. I knew folks who said the same thing a decade ago.

I was around BFA which was a good oportinity to add them. It didn’t happen. Now there’s an even better opportunity. So here I am.

@Kaeros-dentarg

The fact they’ve said no for twenty years indicates they’ve managed to tune you out. After all if not now, when?

Haven’t been asking for 20 years but I’ll carry the torch for a while.

@Kaeros-dentarg

And you should thank me for my service.

I reckon its your hobby.

[Heramaar-argent-dawn]

@Amora-argent-dawn

We want the real deal.
We don’t want to become living vessels of void every 10 seconds of combat.
We don’t want to be a part of the Horde.
We want to be normal high elves on Alliance.

And you won’t be getting that very likely. Otherwise it would have happened YEARS ago.

@Gabriela-hyjal

spoilers alert we are not tolkien elves.

Exactly.

@Kaeros-dentarg

Yeah but the thing is you seem to think that if you keep asking loudly enough for long enough you’ll get them. I knew folks who said the same thing a decade ago.

EXACTLY!

@Kaeros-dentarg

And you should thank me for my service. I and the others debating you are the only ones listening to you without groaning.

I am still groaning tho. Because it is annoying, repetitive noise on the forums.

[Gabriela-hyjal]

All of these opportunities of adding playble HE but still nothing (midnight included) shows how much Blizzard doesnt want to add them.

maybe because high elves are blood elves.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Heramaar-argent-dawn

Otherwise it would have happened YEARS ago.

Or it can happen now.

@Heramaar-argent-dawn

I am still groaning tho. Because it is annoying, repetitive noise on the forums.

Almost self aware.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

However, you are pivoting. We aren’t asking for Blood Elves. We are asking for the Alliance aligned High Elves.

Which are Culturally and Genetically exactly same Race. They don’t posses any ability their Horde Aligned Kin doesn’t. They’d be exact carbon copy except in Blue.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Which it won’t. In fact the most you have managed to accomplish is basically confirmed they aren’t happening in Midnight. And of course if not now, when?

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Linir-twisting-nether

Or it can happen now.

Or not considering the main Narrative of Midnight, as well as incoming Lorewalking that’s meant to give players enough context to understand the story is focused on Void Elves and Blood Elves with no mention of High Elves. Hell Vareesa’s role from what I’ve seen and read is mostly relegated to being Windrunner rather than establishing herself as a proper leader of High Elves.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

Disagree because: It’s a stretch to say the humans of Stormwind inherited the Alliance as the kingdom already fell during the orcish horde invasion.

Agree because: It were then the Dwarves and Gnomes that would have the most claim to it.

Human kingdoms in the old Alliance: Lordaeron, Stromgarde, Kul Tiras, Gilneas, Alterac, and Dalaran
Non-human kingdoms: Ironforge dwarves and gnomes.

So partially agree.

@Kiryanor-grim-batol

Also their Membership laster 3 years. Of their few Thousand years long History…

Yes and like I said before, it’s longer than prior to the Blood Elves joining the Horde. But let’s humor the fact that they remained in the Alliance since Warcraft II.

That means those elves are part of the Alliance for 41 years.

Edit: Also looting candybuckets, so I’m half eyeing the forums.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Vereesa is the permanent sidekick. Either to Jaina and Dalaran or to her sisters. And thus Dalaran and Windrunner content is mistaken for ‘High Elf’.

[Galahad-argent-dawn]

@Linir-twisting-nether

So here I am.

Now that you’re here, how do you feel about OP’s overall behaviour?

[Kaeros-dentarg]

They didn’t remain in the Alliance since Warcraft 2 though. They were the very last nation to join the Alliance. They were also the very first to leave the Alliance in the immediate aftermath of the defeat of the Horde.

This is common knowledge. They were isolationists who wanted as little to do with Humans as possible. A few stragglers remaining behind don’t equate to a long lasting commitment.