Holy Paladin is at the bottom, for several expansions!
Blizzard, can you give some love to this spec? The spec barely heals, barely do some dmg, get OOM so fast! Then we wonder why we stay in solo que for 90 minutes…
Examples: Hpala is so bad, even with high xp nobody wants you over an another healer!
Hpala - Holy Shock - 20k crit
Resto Sham - 120k Lightning Bolt
Let’s not talk ab Disc and others.
I don’t say nerf any, I say do something with this spec. We went from Battle Healers to Garbage Healers!
Everyone does instant healing, Sham, Proest, Druid they heal without casting. We have to stay exposed to CC to grab some hpowers to heal 25% from the smg we take.
Last week I did arenas with rank 1 hpala, he was amazing, we’ve lost every game because he went OOM vs the other random xp healers. Priest did 2 mil dmg, he dis 150k…
Guys, help the spec to get on track! Is C Tier in every aspect of the game. Nobody is playing it anymore, that’s why no one is foghting for the spec.
We don’t need OP skills la Hallow from Venthyr or wtv. Make the spec fun and playable…
We do dmg with our healing abilities, we heal hard cast, we are the most exposed spec in pvp, in pve we can’t keep up.
unfortunately you are right. as an hpala i’m looking for a group for 30 or even 60 mins for 22s run… and as a tank i get almost instant invites??? what’s that supposed to mean!!! and i dont have so much exp as tank as my hpal!
I don’t care if shamans heal a lot more and have BL! I just want to play…
so far the new holy paladin changes make holy the best its been for YEARS. The playstyle is so similar to how it was during Mist of Pandaria and I absolutely love it.
Healing is strong, DPS is good. I just hope the forums cries wont get it nerfed into nothingness again for whatever reason they can find(US forums are crying button bloat cuz its so hard to apparently press 5 buttons).
Only changes I would wish to happen now is a buff to Avenging crusader back to 500% as it was to make the melee wing build viable again, and a change to light of dawn to be circular AOE(so it would be similar to holy radiance light of dawn from mop era, but that’s just a personal preference)
It was fun while it lasted but it seems the holy paladin feels weak again as of this weeks nerfs. Did 2 21’s this evening and almost got beaten by the tank in healing twice and that hasn’t happened in weeks. Right now it seems that you just have to spam heal people so there is no time to do any damage so I have no idea why they also nerfed the damage.
It seems to me that these nerfs were over kill as a sort of punishment for being powerful for a few weeks. Surely other healers aren’t this weak?
Anyway not enjoyed healing today so might not bother any more so that will be another healer gone and more waiting around for everyone else, gg blizzard!
Holy Paladin is still good in raids and probably the best healer in M+ (atleast for the current damage profile). Its just not S+++ tier anymore and more in line with others healers and still better than the majority of them.
Tanks outhealing the healer has been a thing for quite some time now (depending on the tank and dungeon). Guardian Druids have been constantly outhealing the healer during the last couple of weeks (in many dungeons) so it has nothing to do with the recent nerfs.
Paladins damage got nerfed because Consecration was doing an incredible amount of damage for a spell that requires one global every 12 seconds.
lol are u serious with this post? Holy paladin is still king of the freaking Healers, all the other healers are his Slaves and blizzard dont give a crap about them. u really need to learn how to heal with holy pala because its OP as F…
Get over ur hpala hate. Pally recieved already 2 big nerfs in a short time. In Raidsituations Pala is, when looking at warcraftlogs, b tier in best case. So its quit fair when he is not toptier in Raid that he is good in mythic+ dungeons.
Yup, if we check 95%+ (to really see what’s the class capable of), then we are back the the bottom again… pre-rework Holy Paladin had 5-8% more HPS on average, and 30-40% more DPS in Raid. We’ve got once again nerfed just because of M+, which is making us B tier healer in Raid.
We’ve got nerfed so heavily, that pre-rework Holy Paladin was better in both Healing and DPS in Raid. Maybe revert the changes if Devs are incapable of balancing the class… I’m only Raiding (except for the 1x 17 key per week), so why should I suffer because of my class performance elsewhere?
You are looking only at hps numbers which are somewhat low (and I said on other occasions that the healing nerfs might have been a little bit too much for raiding) but paladin is still in a fine spot, if you don’t just look at raw hps of an already pretty easy raid and also include Devo Aura + Aura Mastery which can easy add 10-15k hidden hps in the form of damage reduction (I looked at some logs from Rashok) and even more on fights like Sark which has very bursty phases (saw some logs with 24-40k damage reduction per second).
All of that doesnt include their damage which is on rather good compared to other healers and other situationally useful stuff such as bubble, bop and being unkillable due to sanctified plates.
Paladin is far away from being a b tier healer and you will see atleat one of the in every raid.
You all are laughable, your hps maybe low but you utility is god like, your combinations of some healingskills are really enjoyable to see while standing in a corner because people think you cant handle a +15 key. Dont be stupid for once, they dont need to nerf your HPS but utility you deserve a nerf. Same with guardian druid the nerf they did is really impactfull[ totally not] the devs in this game are clueless.
Dear God, are there still dimwits that think hps is a good metric for raids?
In raids its about tools for jobs and who presses what CD when, what you do inbetween is almost irrelevant.
And hpala is still the best M+ healer by a country mile. You have unparalleled utility and the damage patterns fit your toolkit. You’ve gone from S+++++ tier to just S+ and you’re salty as hell.
It’s funny, that the biggest casuals always reply. One has cleared HC with grey logs, second one is LFR bozo. Sure, if you play casually, it doesn’t matter. If you Mythic progress, then the class performance matters a LOT.
Ye and now with the nerfs holy paladin is performing underrated to all the other healers right? Did u even try to heal with a restoration druid, shaman, or mistweaver monk, holy priest? I maybe have grey logs idc tbh because this is afterall an alt, also those raid runs where i got boosted because i cba doing the raid on an alt.
Its funny how, after people disagreed with you and explained their reasoning, you flame the xp of people arguing against you while (1) conveniently leaving out the person who killed Sark mythic twice (once on druid and once on paladin) while being 5/9 yourself and (2) not realizing that Razergore was 410 gs and the 3rd tank so he clearly got boosted (by a boosting community).
Flaming xp to avoid countering the argument is never a good idea and it gets worse if you can’t even get it right
You haven’t even got 2800 on a completely OP healer and 5/9 mythic is like world rank 2500 atm which is pretty embarrassing. “I’m progressing mythic, performance matters” /snort.