Homophobia in rp needs to cease

[Bish-argent-dawn]

@Dawnblade-steamwheedle-cartel

I can also see the value in Bish’s take that such conflict can make for rewarding and engaging storylines, but with the caveat that such heavy and potentially harmful topics take place with consenting partners.

I think this is what I was (clumsily) trying to explain. Thank you for making it clear.

@Dawnblade-steamwheedle-cartel

Honestly, I feels like a concept of consent needs to be discussed more in the realm of roleplay. It rather feels like people have this conception that by roleplaying in WoW at any level, you automatically consent to be subjected to whatever spews out of their head at any given moment. Whether it be some jumped up Elf roleplayer calling your Orc character fantasy slurs, or a horny rando sliding into your /w unprompted. Just a moment of thought on the part of the instigator to ask for permission, and be able to take being told to go away with grace is all it needs.

Absolutely all of this. I feel like there should be a difference between RP you do in casual settings like Orgrimmar or whatever, and RP you do between friends who all know the deal. I think this is a really good point.

[Levey-argent-dawn (Levey)]

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

I personally think Blizzard will (if they will at all) introduce gay or trans major characters very slowly or make them intentionally vague.

There are still many countries that do not condone such people or representation and to make them vague about it on purpose so they won’t be forced to remove it in countries like China.

And so we end up with oddities like the fandom in one country insisting a canon couple are just sisters.

@Annlively-argent-dawn

It kinda feels like the same kind of person who goes “trans is fake lol learn to biology”.
It’s just sealioning, really. Pretending to care about evidence when all they’re really doing is disingenuously trying to frustrate and exhaust whoever they are talking to under the pretense of doing due diligence.

It’s also a feature of conservative figures co-opting rationality, logic and reason to shut down opposition to their refusal to accept reality. The popularity of such arguments isn’t helping and so you get thousands upon thousands of people becoming really transphobic just because they’re into science and facts, considering themselves apolitical which is its own can of worms.

Sometimes, people are the most ignorant when they think they know it all.

[Nerathion-argent-dawn (Nerathion)]

@Levey-argent-dawn

The popularity of such arguments isn’t helping and so you get thousands upon thousands of people becoming really transphobic just because they’re into science and facts, considering themselves apolitical which is its own can of worms.

And if you do end up arguing with those people and show actual factual evidence of whatever the topic, they’ll just say the evidence/facts are biased and dismiss it completely while oblivious to the state of their own thoughts coming from Infowars.

It’s like Annlively said before, if you don’t become somewhat of a specialist in 17 different medical fields and can’t recite scientific facts/research/evidence/proof by heart immediately in any of your arguments, you’re immediately losing against one of the conservative bigots.

feels like being born into LGBTQ+ identities should immediately offer you a degree in those fields tbh rly

[Dras-argent-dawn]

@Levey-argent-dawn

And so we end up with oddities like the fandom in one country insisting a canon couple are just sisters.

Are we being aware here that different countries and cultures are shaped by the traditions that they’ve been following for years and centuries? I don’t understand what are you trying to achieve with that comment.

Blizzard is not forced to do those changes, they do it willingly to be able to sell the game in those countries.

[Sindrí-argent-dawn (Sindrí)]

@Dras-argent-dawn

Are we being aware here that different countries and cultures are shaped by the traditions that they’ve been following for years and centuries? I don’t understand what are you trying to achieve with that comment.

This wasn’t a fandom but a censor for sailor moon so it could be broadcasted in the US iirc

@Dras-argent-dawn

Blizzard is not forced to do those changes, they do it willingly to be able to sell the game in those countries.

Almost every big company does that.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Dras-argent-dawn

Blizzard is not forced

@Dras-argent-dawn

do it willingly to be able

they’re not forced, merely strong-armed

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

@Dras-argent-dawn

Are we being aware here that different countries and cultures are shaped by the traditions that they’ve been following for years and centuries? I don’t understand what are you trying to achieve with that comment.

Plenty of traditions can be backwards.

[Loras-argent-dawn]

if a country’s cultures and traditions prohibit the displaying of homosexuality, i ain’t gonna pay it much respect

[Hallwell-argent-dawn (Hallwell)]

I personally dislike the use of fem models for male chars and the other way around. To me its lazy. Use the in game models the game offers you

[Loras-argent-dawn]

What’s lazy about it? The in-game models are very limited; the men are usually shaped like fridges with massive, bulging muscles. It is not inconceivable to find a female model to be more believeable for certain characters, particularly when they’re meant to be slender, and not have this massive, Olympian physique.

We use the tools we’ve given in the best way that we can.

[Kimbalynn-argent-dawn]

Is this bait?

[Hallwell-argent-dawn (Hallwell)]

I know where you are coming from, and I am all in for people feeling comfortable while rping their characters. It just feels off for me to see an obviously femine in game model while being a man IC. Guess it is Blizzards fault in this case

[Loras-argent-dawn]

Yeah, I do get you too. But I guess I’d find a feminine man portrayed by the female model to be less jarring, although neither option is ideal.

[Hallwell-argent-dawn (Hallwell)]

@Loras-argent-dawn

although neither option is ideal.

True, sadly

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

ONE of my characters is male but portrayed with a female model.

[Jenit-argent-dawn (Jenit)]

Im a little wary of toons portraying the opposite gender to the character but its more because of the history of people doing that with characters intended to get their players rocks off. That said im willing to give most people their 5 mins and have been pleasantly surprised before.

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

Nah, that’s fair.

Originally I did it because I thought it’d be funny to have a character getting more and more exasperated every time he had to correct somebody.

Then he just evolved from there.

[Diredeep-argent-dawn (Diredeep)]

@Loras-argent-dawn

Yeah, I do get you too. But I guess I’d find a feminine man portrayed by the female model to be less jarring, although neither option is ideal.

I’d normally consider it totally fine, but given the uh, endowment of most generic models, I personally find it easier to suspend my disbelief when someone uses the male model to represent a ‘feminine’ male character, though ultimately I don’t really care either way.

[Bish-argent-dawn]

@Hallwell-argent-dawn

I personally dislike the use of fem models for male chars and the other way around. To me its lazy. Use the in game models the game offers you

I guess nonbinary characters are screwed, then

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@Loras-argent-dawn

What’s lazy about it? The in-game models are very limited; the men are usually shaped like fridges with massive, bulging muscles.

As opposed to female character models that are also not even briefly androgynous

Feels like in both cases you will have to write a mini-essay in your TRP to clarify your character’s appearance but in one case you will have less confusion & will not be mistaken for one of the usual suspects

There should be more options for body shapes provided by the game instead of the galactic level cope of using the comically stacked human female model to represent a thinner / less muscular human male