Homophobia in rp needs to cease

Depends on the situation, in this case, I find reporting those that bring homophobia and like minded thoughts acceptable, and will do so if I ever spot this elf ingame, thou chances are slim, and rightout ignore this guild as a whole interily.

As is in anyone’s right to do so. I personally don’t care what people decide to play. Neither do i think anyone ought to be shunned for anything.
Personally i think anyone ought to be free to pursue what ever character type you wish. But in the end. Best solution is just to avoid those people if they make you uncomfortable, even though i support a two sided dialogue to settle disagreements

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This is wrong actually, people should totally be shunned if they breach the rules, or cling on the idea (somehow) that it’s alright to do so.
If you don’t others will think it’s alright when it’s not.

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The problem is that this isn’t always plausible. Public events that different guilds attend can last for several days and avoiding somebody who’s previously made you uncomfortable isn’t always the best option. You can put them on ignore, but then you might get a /w of “Why aren’t you responding to x?”

Again the simplest and most effective solution is just for people not to roleplay bigoted characters who think less of same-sex couples. It’s not a thing in-lore, it’s not something depicted in-game, it doesn’t add anything to anybody’s experience other than getting people to sigh disappointedly at best and be genuinely upset at worst.

There are plenty of things that don’t belong in roleplay. Sexual assault, self-harm, suicide, homophobia, IRL racism brought into the game, ERP, child RP. All of these things are unpleasant at best and disgusting at worst. I would urge you to reconsider the stance of never shunning somebody for IC happenings because there are some things which cross the line of good taste and tactfulness.

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People are smart enough to make up their own minds on the matter, well at least i think so. By all means call them out, but i personally don’t believe public shaming and lynching is ever a good idea. That’s me. After all i believe no matter the speech it should be allowed. This is my take on the matter.
Either case i hope everyone comes around in the end and finds some common ground.

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Well, that is your opinion, but mine is that we should scorn such behavior and call them out, and if they don’t conform, well, I see no wrong in shaming those who can’t follow rules they accepted to follow in the first place.

It’s rather odd that you’re both willing to challenge homophobia in roleplay, but don’t seem to think it’s worth challenging from an OOC perspective. You’re either against homophobia, or you’re not. You cannot pick and choose when it is or is not acceptable in a given context.

There is also a substantial amount of irony in the sense that you’re labelling people as homophobes and homophobic OOCly for character portrayals, but somehow don’t seem to think the label matters or applies to members of your community who have made homophobic comments OOCly, but don’t roleplay homophobic characters.

Especially as these comments were made in roleplay community channels, even if they were OOC, they still matter. You can attempt to spin it anyway you like, but you’ve both more or less implied that OOC homophobia isn’t a problem. From my perspective, you either wholly support a cause, or you’re not committed. As a result, to me and on the basis of these above comments it seems like you’re just attempting to police roleplay and have little regard for OOC homophobic attitudes that can also be extremely damaging.

I also know you’re both fully aware of the statements and things both Morsteth and Krasarang have said on separate occasions, so I think it’s quite disrespectful that you seem to think they don’t matter because they were in an OOC context.

Players from Argent Dawn have both IC and OOC interactions, so obviously OOC attitudes matter as well, especially as these can be transferred into roleplay, or expressed in roleplaying communities and channels which can make people feel extremely isolated and uncomfortable. As I pointed out above, you either want to fully confront the issue, or you don’t. This isn’t just an IC problem, it’s a problem in the community which is both OOC and IC.

So you should either get behind this and be willing to call out those community members, or your attempts at maintaining the moral high ground on this issue through berating other roleplayers has minimal credibility.

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Then you should take your opinion and tweet directly at Blizzard, because as of right now they disagree with you and they put a ToS in place that doesn’t allow you to say anything you want.

It depends entirely the circumstance. If it’s part of a storyline, i’m fine with it. No matter what topic it is. There’s different mediums. While i’ve been the person who mostly plays in closed groups where we use WoW as a basis for our Storyline.

I can tell that making such a conflicting character is mainly a detriment anyways, as even in character such characters have hard time of creating lasting impact. It’s more of a “meme” from what i find. Sure as hell, trolls are annoying, but i think such canceling methods are too drastic.

If you’re after a lasting route for character development, it’s a hard fit. While i like concepts where personal struggles and self-betterment is on the forefront, they cause conflict, yeah i understand how it can cause controversy. It’s most of the time not the goal of people to live out some evil fantasies, atleast not for me.

The title is homophobia in rp, just because I want to stay on that path, doesn’t I accept it irl, its just irl talk is not whats being discussed, not sure what you don’t understand about this.

I did asked for proof to be given in private, guess you forgot about that part. :clown_face:

I’m not thou, so stop spouting lies.

I will retain the moral high ground on IC homophobia, despite your shady attempts at making this an irl issue.

Can u repeat this in 1 single paragraph i’m not interested in ur thesis on what my opinion is.

I’ve not once tried to make this an IRL issue. I was talking about the OOC problems. If you don’t believe that there’s OOC problems with it in our community, then you’re mistaken.

There’s no need to be hypocritical. I can understand from your incredibly dismissive comments that you both simply don’t like it when the finger is being pointed in your direction.

You can’t really legitimately claim that you’re supporting the LGBTQ+ community in roleplay when you’ve both explicitly stated that you’re not really interested in it when it happens in an OOC context. Accuse me of lying all you like, but it’s what you both stated in earlier posts.

You could’ve just answered “no”, would’ve saved me the time waiting.

Thank you for proving my point. You just like being vindictive and calling out other players, not at addressing the issues at hand universally on Argent Dawn. That applies both IC and OOC.

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It’s okay, I’ll summarise his words in one (1) sentence: ruh roh what about morsteth and krasarang

can we now stop derailing the thread into thinly veiled anti-PCU bait thanks mr. troll shaman

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This is still a thread about homophobia, unless you’re missing the point. Members of your community are also being hypocritical and are calling out other players. The rules apply to everyone, whether you seem to think so or not.

Then why bring irl homophobia in the first place? Stop lying.

Being accused of something I’m not, do you like that pal?

Well then, it this don’t bother sending your “proof” anymore, I won’t take the word of a scumbag like you anymore.

Ah thank you Nerathion this is helpful

I don’t care about Mors and whatever memeing on discord because that’s not the platform for ages 13 and up that I RP on where homophobia strictly doesn’t exist + I don’t think they’re serious.

Anyway if u have issues with mors please visit the PCU thread :slight_smile:

Or better yet, approach him on discord. He’s good to talk with really.

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Dude, why are you resorting to verbal attacks?

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I’m pretty sure the context here is, as the title of the thread suggests, homophobia in roleplay. Sure, we can talk all you want about all the other millions of bad stuff that has, is and will happen in the world but that’s not relevant to this thread is it?

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