Homophobia in rp needs to cease

Then I suggest you read further up then to where I disporved those claims.

And the previous posts don’t prove I am homophobic.

False.

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Now you’re using the excuse of gay people can’t be homophobic again, that’s weird and cringe.

They absolutely can, and by pushing for homophobic characters in a universe that does not support it is also weird and cringe, even more so if you’re actually gay irl. Because then surely, you should see how harmful it is.

In fact, I’d argue some of the most homophobic people I have met irl are LGBT, it’s a very real thing.

Of course they can, its just extremely unlikely and strange. Though what I don’t understand is I have yet to express any anti gay, or anti LGBT+ sentiment in general and yet I am being called a homophobe, without evidence.

Not all homosexuals have to think the same way as you because you think it is right. It is rather demeaning to think you own what they should think and there is something wrong with them if they disagree with you.

Precisely, we are not a hivemind. Despite what some people have been led to believe.

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I just want to chime in again on one topic, namely the differentiation between a character and their creator.

Those saying that you can be 100% detached from what your character does, sorry but that is not true. Sure, you will roleplay how you -think- the character would act, but ultimately it is still -YOU- who sits behind the keyboard and decides when and what your character will say.

To claim that your character is this autonomous entity that does things you have absolutely no control over is simply false. You do. You still decide to type out their actions and statements. So don’t pretend like you can’t help what your character is doing.

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Unfortunately this is true. As an author I have written many variable characters of my own so different to me over time.

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Speaking from my own expereince, it is true.

Being austistic, I can very easily become detaitched from things and then run with it on pure understanding of what it is rather than personally beliving it.

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True, I skimmed through the last 200ish posts where you were being obtuse about the definition of defamation. I didn’t really see any disproving other than you trying to derail the thread (and indirectly being homophobic by trying to steer the discourse away from the actual topic/get the thread closed, whether from ignorance or not).

What is false for Amdusias?

This thread is proof that it’s actually not extremely unlikely at all, but it is quite strange to see so many defend homophobia, yes. Self-hatred is a thing and happens very often.

Vouching for homophobic characters in fiction that directly says they have no place and indirectly show no evidence for their existence, and defending other people wanting to be homophobic.

I hate a lot of things about me, where the pee pee goes is not one of them buddy.

You accused them of homophobia. I was telling you, you were wrong.

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Daily reminder that there is no homophobia in the Warcraft universe and if you RP a homophobe character you’re a bad roleplayer who bases things on weird headcanon at best or an actual homophobe at worst. :ok_hand:

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I’ll be real honest fellas, this isn’t very pog :pensive:

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I’ve been patient with you beforehand, and heard you out, but you kept talking about how ERP bad, how sexism in lore means that you can be homophobic. And how incredibly defensive people get about this being pointed out.

If you want a constructive discussion, you need to provide a counter point, a reason for why you should be able to do it, why you are not homophobic. You can’t just keep shouting “That’s not true” over and over like Irelia here. We need a back 'n forth mate.

I think that it’s unnesssary RP that’s harmful, has no basis lore, is arguably TOS, and I’m concerned about how there’s people so attached to the ability to RP a homohpobic character, that they’ll argue on the forums for 6 hours straight, for the right to do so.

ok but that doesn’t mean self-hatred isn’t a thing and doesn’t happen very often? :roll_eyes:
that bit wasn’t about you pal

actually im telling myself im right

wow! guess im right now :open_mouth:

Yeah no. That’s not how it works.

I too can write characters and play characters that are 100% different from what I myself would do or think. However you, or any author, still decides when or what a character is going to say at that exact moment. As I said before, we do our best to roleplay what we think our character would do, but it is still us guiding their actions. Same with the authors of novels. They are the ones deciding how the character acts. They aren’t autonomous beings.

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I think you missed the point of what they’re arguing. They’re not saying they have no control over their characters, they’re explaining that a characters views on things don’t necessarily match up with the person playing the character.

If you role-play a thief, it doesn’t mean you steal things in real life.
If you role-play a murderer, it doesn’t mean you murder in real life.
If you’re pro-war and pro-genocide, it doesn’t mean you agree with it IRL.

It’s role-play, you’re acting. Role-playing a homophobe is in poor taste and against the ToS and can appropriately be viewed as homophobic in of itself, but it doesn’t necessitate you being a homophobe IRL.

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Important distinction here is that theft, murder and even genocide are things in this setting. Homophobia is not.

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We live in a society and there is thing called the presumption of innocence. That means I am innocent until proven guilty. And as I will never be guilty, I suppose that leaves one option.

I don’t have to prove anything anymore than I already have.

Genious. Congratulations.

I think I know better than you how my own brain works. So don’t even try it.

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