Horde and Alliance

It purely doesn’t work due to faction specific quests.

It’s interesting that it’s mostly Horde players who want war, oh look, another worn-out “Burn the tree”-joke…

Sure, i want a good fight against something (Some scattered cultists here and there lack that important “We want to fight that!”-factor TBH), but with all the steps towards eliminating faction borders for practical reasons, it would seem weird for the lore to then be “Horde and Alliance just start slapping each other around over some pathetic excuse” again…

eh i know…

As the game is moving towards cooperation and more cross faction play it makes little sense to be at war with each other. We fight side by side in dungeons and raids. If anything the game needs to integrate more.

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Nah it wouldn’t actually. It makes alot of sense. Some of the horde will act like a normal nation would and try to take control of land and resources. Especially the goblins.

And In the alliance there are so many who got wronged by the horde and have not gotten justice. The nights elfs as a most recent example. Yay they suffered genocide. But they got a new tree now wich they got to share with the horde because some of them felt sowwy. Sylvanas is gone and saurfang died, i guess every other willing killer in the horde also had a change of heart.

War makes plenty of sense. Just because some main characters get along in some situations doesnt mean the entire faction does

Yes next up is doing open world stuff together. We manage but I see no reason it couldn’t work properly.

Well from this we have splinter groups, such as the flame druids (whose story seems to have not ended???) and I find that more interesting.

Well one also could concider cross faction guilds as a splinter faction or a neutral organisation, especially since alot of time we worked with other faction characters were for neutral organisations. No need to butcher the horde and alliance in a way wich doesnt make sense realisticly

Factions can be rivals working together without being friends

And why should the elves be at war with the rest of the world?

What would be the lore reason behind this ?

For example, High Elves are literally integrated into other Alliance societies, as they don’t have their own kingdom. They mate with other races who are not elves. There’s very little chance of them abandoning all that to create an alliance with other elves, especially if it’s to be at war with the rest of the world.

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Up until Legion, we’d not necessarily had any major “depopulation” events. Even with the Cataclysm.

The Horde-Alliance War from WotLK to MoP had very very few major engagements, so it was still feasible that a war was going on due to the general hostilities through skirmishes.

Legion straight into BFA was absurd though because there was no mystique. No suspended disbelief about how much death occurred - it was straight up to back-to-back World Wars!

Give us some old-school simmering animosity. Stuff like what we had in the classic era of Vanilla through WotLK. Yes, a major war did breakout with an initial major flashpoint after the Wrathgate disaster, but that was it. The war went underground. It was perfect!

There’s nothing wrong with the Horde and Alliance flicking each other’s ears ever so often while a bigger threat is going on. It doesn’t need to be outright war between them every time!

Just border scuffles. That’s all we need!

Well, the whole situation should really be dealt with like any medieval kingdom scenario. Not every realm was at war with their neighbours non-stop. That’d be unsustainable. There’s also the issue of control within a realm, as authority weakened the further away from centers of power you got and the closer you came to the “border”.

A lot of the time, border disputes were the reason why fighting broke out. Sometimes you sided with your rival to stop another rival from taking the lands that all 3 of you have been vaguely calling your own for the past 400 years.

People on those borders didn’t always rigidly comply with the whims of their local authority. Sometimes they didn’t know. Their realms could be at war with each other but two villages on either side of a made up line could be trading and intermarrying between each other for generations.

The same thing could be applied to Guilds and the general player base in WoW. We live on the border. Our Factions may not like each other but we might still get along. We might group together even though one of us will be shot dead if they try and enter the other’s camp.

I am sure Blizzard will just screw everything up and not bother to add any thought into cross-Faction openworld play but the hope is still there!

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I’ve been wondering about this myself. In the Illidan book it is described how he bumps into a Naaru and he is shown to be destined to be a Warrior of the Light sorta thing. That exchange is amiable, there’s no reason to believe he is actually opposed to this. That Naaru has no ‘Xe’ra, forceful subjugation’ vibes at all.

Then we get Legion, and Xe’ra. That he rebels against being forcefully Light infused with no choice in the matter makes sense with his character. And one could conclude the whole Warrior of the Light thing apparently does not happen. The End.

Personally I’d say it’s still perfectly possible this may happen tho, but under different circumstances. I may have missed or overlooked some storyline or lore that contradicts this, I’d be interested in reading it if there is, because it’s been a question since quite a while for me now :smile:

We aren’t exactly friends, we’re in a state of truce - more like a cold war than full on peace.
We can’t be at war forever, that just doesn’t make sense. There needs to be a reason for fighting. Fighting for the sake of fighting is also boring.

The story telling in recent expansions hasn’t done a great job with developing the Factions nor their races. What’s going on with the Dwarves? I know Moira is leader, is she married (I can’t remember) or is there plans for a royal wedding? Does she have Children (heirs) or could there be a succession crisis? Who is leader of the gnomes (can’t remember if there was one mentioned or not).

Expansion stories should have race and faction progression. This could include the Cold War heating up at flash points (Gilneas would be a good one).

Actually they did mention Moira and the fact her son is grown up now. Have you not played Alliance, though? We know Moira married the Iron Dwarf leader and had a kid, and now is on the council waiting for her son to grow up and hoping he will take the throne of both peoples.

The whole questline for unlocking Mechagnomes is about saving Mekkatorque and crowning him King of the Gnomes.

I pretty much only play Alliance (I do have a couple of Horde alts at 60). When was the Moira story told?

I did unlock Mechagnomes ages ago, I though he was ruler of the mechagnomes only? I must not have paid attention to those quests.

There are enough quests doing world building for the races and factions though. As a single questline might get rushed if you’re distracted that day.
I probably should go to wowwiki (if that still exists) and read up on some of the lore (I used to do that more in the past).

exactly, in history nations dont exact suddenly become one if they stop fighting. Especially with how hard feelings to eachother are.

People who say the factions being separate doesnt make any sense because they worked together have no idea what makes sense . Wich is probably the same kind of thinking why the end cinematic was all about dragons and the power of friendship and family

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#ReviveGarrosh

Its almost like you guys want to be the villains and be the final raid boss… Again.
Wouldn’t the Alliance being the bad guys for once be better?

Garrosh was never the bad guy though :thinking:

I’ll just take that as a no then.