Because Azshara will came out of nowhere, by the help of Lady Ashvane
Who was rescued under Sylvanas’ orders. I am so tired of that annoying Banshee who is single-handedly ruining the lore. Turn her into a raid boss and kill her already, or even turn her into Kerrigan 2.0, I don’t care. Just remove her from the story. 90% of the issues of Battle for Azeroth’s storyline can be traced back to Sylvanas.
I think nibody eho cares about the lore really like her. I mean damn this war is… stupid.
No one would care about her if she didn’t have certain… huh… assets, that set her apart from Garrosh.
The usual empty headed respond
I think a large part of that is because the Horde part is more dynamic, agreed, but then you would expect that, from the side that is the architect of the war. You can’t plan for a surprise attack, or rather, you can, but you can’t know what form that attack will take, so naturally the Horde invasion of Kaldorei lands seems more coordinated, simply because, well, it is? This is their tune, the Kaldorei are having to dance to it (In terms of resisting it).
The Alliance response however is a reaction, it is -expected- it -is- a rush job, because, well it is a response, not a planned and slowly put together plan, in the way that the Horde initial attack was. That isn’t because the Alliance is stupid, or has worse tacticians, it is because by definition in a response you are on the back foot, and act with what you have. Anduin isn’t going to strike at Orgrimmar, the logistics don’t work, the Horde have just driven into the Kaldorei lands, and neither side has a particularly massive fleet anymore. He’s not going to strike at Thunder Bluff, again, the logistics would be a nightmare, and he is probably hoping that Baine will crack some sense into some skulls. Attacking his seat of power will just drive him further into the Horde. He knows that the Alliance has a bad track record of attacking people and driving them away, and he is a smart cookie, he’s not going to repeat those mistakes.
For the same reasons Silvermoon is out. He’s still hoping to win the Blood Elves over, attacking them for a -third- time is not going to achieve that aim.
He’s left with two real targets, Bilgewater Harbour, or Undercity,
Of the two, which is going to be most damaging to Sylvanas, as a person, and her prestige within the Horde?
Has to be Undercity.
To be honest, the Alliance attack was pretty awesome. of all the ways it could have been done, I did not expect the way it was, a Lightning drive from the northern shore of Lordaeron, via Brill, then a sudden Siege.
As an ad hoc response, it was pretty awesome. It was bound to feel hectic, because it was meant to. It was a hurried response to the unbridled aggression Sylvanas had unleashed, there had to be a swift response, a hard response. If the Horde look better prepared, that is because they -were-, I mean they started this. A Reacting force is never as prepared as the Proactive force, such is true in our real world, and it seems, is true in Azeroth.
Have you watched ‘Terror of Darkshore’? That’s not a sarcastic question, but that, -that- is how the Kaldorei should war. Watch it again. Watch the gruff, stern, and certain Troll who is leading the supply caravan, then compare that to the broken wreck turning prayer material in his hands, praying that the God of -Death- does not come for him. He’s mentally traumatised, the Kaldorei, in one attack, have scarred him so, that he is afraid. Think he’s going to be leading any more supply caravans?
That’s just one incident, there will have been more. We already see, that the Alliance, or rather the Kaldorei, are absolutely terrifying when they roll up their sleeves and get down to business.
I mean that is Blizzard showing us it.
The In Game experience reflects this.
Alliance gets its Kul Tiran allies, and their massive fleet. Horde get their Zandalari allies, but their fleet is all but broken.
Horde generals confirm in dialogue that the Alliance has all but won. This is all in-game, this is the in-game experience
The Alliance have co-opted a Horde racial leader, who is now working against the Warchief. This is all in-game.
What more would you suggest, to show that the Alliance at this point is winning?
Here I was thinking I had heard just about everything.
Not gonna say anything in case you’re sarcastic?
Well, as horde player you kill their troops and rise a few back. Only Malfurion & Tyrande where badass. The others have the ability to join the… forsaken
I don’t know, maybe WINNING (and keeping what was won) something? One battle, one competent Alliance general winning against a competent Horde general. It this so much to ask? Well, we can admit that attack on Dazar’alor had some of this (actually we can discuss this after 8.1 is live). But Alliance did not won, it was pushed back by Horde. Can we have one victory that will stand?
People seem to want unconditional victories in a two faction game, when that’s never the case.
I do wonder when that’ll happen with the Horde too.
I mean, mission table and Darkshore warfront negate all the value of the “victory” the Horde had in Teldrassil. And still, it seems certain fans want even more compensation for it.
Never mind the fact that said “victory” splintered the Horde to the point of having one Horde leader actively wanting to sabotage the efforts defending its immediate reprisal in Lordaeron.
Fistpump
Ps: And I’m leaving out the comparisons between war campaigns and the different degrees of succes each side had with theirs.
Didn’t already happen? Remember Cataclysm?
Have you read what I typed? One clean, nice victory. All I see from Cata, is that Blizzard gives Horde victories, and then become “creative” in not giving Alliance any.
Was the Horde capable of maintaining any of those victories without any kind of drawback? Either moral or physical?
When was the last time the Horde had one of those? And I mean something major.
Both sides have plenty minor.
And I am talking about a military victory. And yes, when you want to be bad a$% conqueror, you will have some moral repecusions.
Go on the map. You will see Theramore destroyed, Hillbrad in Forsaken hands, Ashenvale in Horde’s hands, etc. I am sick of “tell”, I want more “show”.
Doesn’t matter when was the last time Horde had one of those. Horde had. Alliance didn’t. You’re right, we cannot count WoT as one of those, NE were dumbed down for Horde to “shine”. And I am almost sure Horde will win Darkshore warfront. And all bells and whistles Tyrande have, is to make Horde’s victory bigger.
The Horde is basically the new scourge at this point. The living members are the Cult of the Damned.
It seems that the horde is pretty much forsaken biased.
I see. You want victories par on that stuff.
Well, you have Taurajo. And you have the Barren invasion. You also have the NPCs in Silverpine and Gilneas.
And you also have the plagues ruins of UC.
When?
And first it was Orc biased. Until they destroyed the playable race, that is.
I mean that the forsaken never where a real part of the Horde. They’re only there because they would be killed otherwise. Now we have a damn forsaken addon! That shouldn’t never happen.
But…that’s what this is? The Alliance -win-. I mean they invade and ransack Dazar’alor and kill its King. They destroy its fleet. They utterly confound and obliterate Sylvanas’ and the Horde’s reasons for the -entire Expansion to happen!- Those are lasting losses, I mean those are massive.
Sure, the Zandalari and Horde rally and push them out, but they still ransack the joint, destroy the fleet, kill the King. At what point is that not a victory? What does it need, for some people to feel that the Alliance has had a victory, because right now it seems to be nothing other than complete annihilation because we are the good guys!
Seriously, this is a massive deal, and yet some people are saying “The Alliance lose” I’m sorry, did we Siege Boralus and kill Jaina? or Katherine?
The Alliance -destroy- the entire reason the Horde have, for this entire Expansion, whilst retaining their own, and this is somehow the Alliance -Losing-? For real?
I really do not know what some people want at this point. I’m not even sure they do.
Let me just re-state that, in case you missed it.
The Alliance Destroy the whole -Reason- the Horde got involved in this.
So Legion V:2.0. Alliance plus buddies do stuff.
Again.
If Alliance fans want to take up the baton and be the villains then you crack on, some of us don’t like our story telling defined by having to be the villains. We have no problem being the villains, we do when it is Hollywood mentality that lacks any nuance. You can’t complain about the Horde being villains, when that is what you -want-. You can’t complain about not conquering territories, because that is Imperialistic, and every time the Alliance does something even similar, its fans flood here and say “N-No, its Good!”
You can’t want a black and white story, where white always wins. That just isn’t how it works.
So you either accept the fact that sometimes one side wins, and then the other does, or you just buy into Saturday morning Kids Cartoon mentality.
The thing is, as we saw, when the Alliance -do- get a major win, this suddenly, through some bizarre mental alchemy, transmutes into a Horde Victory, It doesn’t matter what happens, the Alliance could trash Orgrimmar, some people would still complain that the Alliance lost.
Get rid of the victim mentality. It isn’t healthy.
Some would argue the same about night elves…