I just woke up, its literally middle of a night here, had to come here just to write how freakin much i need different hosueholds for WoW races and great housing system, not some garrisons, class halls etc… but proper housing where i can cry alone, but still can decorate my own sh*ts, maybe like in black desert or the elder scrolls for example (but better you are able to do it even better), i love WoW, i will always, but this one option, i would looooove to see in there.
THanks, good night
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Wow thats interesting, but I sure don’t care.
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Ofcourse not, what would some filthy undeath being need with a house?
I will forever oppose player housing as it is the death of RP servers with everyone fracturing into even smaller bubbles only ever logging on to lock themselves away in instances with their friends, sycophants and servants.
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Agreed
lets lock ourselves away in even smaller garrisons but with more pointless customisation that does nothing but falsly create a feeling of progress and control over a small anti-social aspect of an already limping game.
why learn from the mistakes that were garrisons?
i’m sure it will be nothing like garrisons the second time we try it.
and if it doesn’t work out, we can complain that it wasn’t real housing as we wanted it, since no matter what they do, it won’t be like what people want.
They scrapped the house idea all the way back in vanilla/TBC and garrisons only shows how right they were to do it
non-instanced housing, that is something I can get behind, however it is not a thing wows game world is build for.
True ESO is just player housing rp
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Okay but
what if blizz did a tie-in with the sims and released a warcraft expansion pack for that?
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Thought experiment: What if we had non-instanced player housing, earned by a player/guild for a set period of time (week/month) during which they can customise it as they desire? Being rental property from an IC perspective.
I have no idea how you would earn it though, I feel like it could be very exploitable by OOC trolls.
You’re wrong but it’s ok to be wrong
Source: RPed for two years (on NA no less/conflicting timezones) and almost always went out into the open world for events and collaborated with other guilds.
What if they just added more public houses and also opened all the currently shut doors
and removed all the hostile NPCs from Suramar
Also when’re they going to add the Roman-style bath house in Silvermoon?
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A recipe for brutal exploitation as guilds gang up to deprive rivals, like a micro scale scarab gong situation but frequently repeatable with those with numbers and organization controling land in perpetuity as the competition eventually gives up and settles somewhere else.
As a status symbol, controlling areas like that bend server interaction further to toxic rivalry. Never trust the good nature of man to prevail. We’re petty, selfish and cruel conquerors.
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I am also wondering as to the current situation of the intellectual titan known as Jordan Peterson
Sorry, but from my experience on EU ESO it really is just player housing RP. I’d only ever seen uninstanced RP once in my 14 months playing.
The issue with Garrisons was they were too convenient. You could have an AH, a mine, a mailbox, a herb garden, etc. You had literally no reason to ever leave. I really dislike garrisons being used as a point of reference to decry housing when they had a host of problems that caused people to sit in them all day every day.
MMOs I’ve RP’d in have had housing and not suffered greatly for it (With exception for those that bubble themselves away). Largely because they’re a neat distraction and little else for anyone that doesn’t RP.
Wildstar housing made RP thrive as it was so extensive people basically made their own RP hubs then opened them to the public. It was incredible and I lament that no other MMO has come close to that experience.
That’s because there’s no RP servers, and over the years people have given up trying to roleplay in the world due to griefers. I know someone who was RPing in a city and they got derided for ‘spamming the chat’. TESO housing is also very locked off by design and by default pushes it into being a very private affair. By contrast Wildstar encouraged people to make their stuff accessible, if not mechanically then socially as it would list ‘neighbours’ and the plots of your friends and guild.
People resort to housing when the world isn’t enjoyable to RP in. Wildstar was similar when all servers were merged into one PvE and one PvP. At least in Wildstar’s case, RPers made their own hubs, towns, forests, space stations and much more in said housing and very publically advertised these as open to all, and using addons you could locate which housing plots currently had activity, what their theme/faction was and what events are hosted there if any, which made it VERY easy to find RP despite it being in instances.
It was a very powerful tool and it strongly encouraged people to open them to the public. It only got more immense when megaplots were released and suddenly entire groups could collab on a single housing plot that was damn close to being the size of a questing zone, but sadly the game shut down not long after. By the end it was basically just RPers left, and we stucka round because of housing and the sheer customisation and potential it offered. I managed to make my own small city street with a hoverboard park, a movie theatre, a shopping mall and an apartment building and hosted a number of ‘village hours’ type evenings there.
Every other MMOs housing is far more limited in scope, often restricting you to a pre-designed building and interior. Wildstar had pre-set stuff but you could ignore it all and build your own buildings and so on.
The only MMO I’d argue has housing and is a detriment to RP because of it is FFXIV, people meet up in public events, then slink away in pairs to do catgirl ERP in private apartments. And public events are nearly always beach parties and the like, I ended up having to join an actual adventuring RP guild to do something that wasn’t Second Life, but that at least was all in the world with housing only used as a base we returned to once in a while.
If the outdoors remains suitable for RP, and people have reasons to leave their private holes, they’ll leave their instances and still engage in public RP.
If Darianuth got a private Dalaran apartment or something, besides occasionally chilling with pals, what else could I do there RP-wise? Maybe it could be designed after a classroom or something and then host lessons in there… but what else?
Unless WoW has Wildstar style housing, the RP scope of being in housing for RP will be very limited. And I don’t think the server would be any worse if the ERPers and Second Life types suddenly vanished off the streets of SW to hump like rabbits in private instances.
And if the housing is as extensive and vast as Wildstar’s, fantastic, we get probably one of the strongest tools for RP ever. With the added bonus of the world still being worth RPing in, instead of something we have no choice but withdraw from due to griefers or anti-RP design (looking at you GW2).
tl;dr: Unless Blizzard do something monumentally stupid (Delete RP realms, make sharding global again, etc) I can’t see people suddenly holing up in their safe spaces overnight, no matter how good the housing might be. It’s only been a problem for MMOs where RPing in the world is very difficult or already very rare. Neither of which is the case for us. And housing, personally, would only be a huge plus even if it was more limited in scope.
A lot of arguments I see against housing are based heavily on ‘what ifs’ which in turn are based on experiences with MMOs where RP was already very rare in the outdoor world to begin with, or are in ignorance of the factors that led to RPers having to withdraw to private instances in the first place.
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Word.
I’d love player housing. Sometimes you just want to roleplay with your friends.
I personally wouldn’t mind player housing, Altough I do understand the risk that comes with it regarding bubbling RP.
However, using an example of my own. We host monthly guild meetings and we always struggle with a good location. Seeing as the most viable places are used by other roleplayer which can cause flooding of the chat and other issues. Not to mention that trollers are getting more dense 
. We’ve decided to start using the Garisson which I semi see as a player housing.
My theory is that people who prefer RP bubbles already conduct their RP in such a manner. Player housing would add another setting for it, sure, but it wouldn’t make a considerable difference to the remaining server.
Personally, I’d just want a location that I could tailor to my race/class and work towards perfecting. Add a trophy feature, maybe make professions relevant by having cool furnishings tied to different professions or require certain achievements to purchase at a vendor. Then have a cool AF pad to show off and RP in, if not in the mood for a larger hub.
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Are they already saying the Dawn of the Faithful is a PCU guild? 
They haven’t reached that point yet