How can one be so foolish to believe that anything that is written on these forums is considered by developers?
Not to be that guy in the room and to shun people for all their “suggestion threads”, but you need to remember that Blizzard is a US company, and the only way to even have a chance at reaching out to actual developers, and not just a blue-named customer support, is to be part of US community.
And even then the chances of being noticed on forums/reddit/wowhead comments is about as low as the droprate of Invincible.
Unless you’re so called Influencer, chances are that even the average ground-floor developer won’t even bat an eye at anything you post here, and those who specifically use reddit are probably usually filter it by “Art” tags, so they don’t have to see any criticism/suggestions.
And even if you are an Influencer, 99% of what you going to get from Blizzard is a PR speech.
What I’m trying to say is, you guys wasting your time setting your expectations high and typing out a big essays/photoshoping suggestion sheets for people who will never read them.
In all actuality, I’m just getting sad from seeing how many people wasting their creativity and energy for it to fall on blind eyes and deaf ears.
What makes you think so?
Its well known that best chances to get dev reply its when they ask smth on twitter or very rare US forums. These forums is to chat inbetween.
tbh, i see more ranting then anything on these forums anyway :P… while we do have some proper indepth conversations on some matters… ALOT of threads are either
People who want this v People who want that.
I hate this.
OMG BLIZZARD SUCK.
THESE CHANGES SUCK.
FIX THIS.
but if the information is presented… we can accurately say “blizzard didnt listen to us”. if we show no information we simply cannot… u cannot accuse blizzard of Not listening if no one was putting ideas forward.
Its very important to the Critic of the expansion after launch that we do provide these posts… as we cant accuse blizzard of ignoring its playerbase if we havent actually given them anything to ignore.
I disagree with this. I think if the suggestion is good enough then customer support would flag it up the food chain and it would be implemented.
Here let me give it a go…
“Wouldn’t it be cool if instead of rested XP you could get Rested Honour or Rested reputation - maybe a toggle at your local INN for which you would like to rest.”
I dunno, 15+ years of same suggestions/threads/criticisms falling on deaf ears of developers with no change whatsoever?
I mean, you can call the catchup mechanics “blizzard actually listened to us” and completely ignore the fact that them removing obstacles they made in the first place is a life cycle of every expansion, but the question is, should you?
There are countless sheets/posts/threads/photoshops with very detailed and very nicely put information for blizzard to chew on. Have they ever considered to do so? Hell no. Look no further than the ongoing “troll suggestion thread” and tell me how something this detailed is not being ignored on purpose.
Nah. The so called “food-chain” is based off of how many specific region pays. Implementing changes because of a suggestion(which usually seen by developers as a plea 90% of the time) from some EU region that brings half of quarter of revenue seemed as foolish and ineffective fund/time/resource distribution.
i think that the majority who suggest something doesnt expect it to be 100% listened to or implemented.
this forum is the only way for people to bring forward and discuss ideas, whether they will be implemented or not, and i see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
We’re getting motion sickness controls in Shadowlands and this may have come from a post on the EU forums.
I think that’s even more proof. Shout out to Veadsarias for helping with that!
Blizzard people read both US and EU forums.
Devs read neither.
Community may report on good ideas/suggestions from both US & EU to the devs.
If you have a good idea/suggestion that doesn’t need discussion in a forum, use the suggestions box ingame.
Exactly. And the only reason you can accurately point at that as a point of ignorance on blizzards behalf is the fact they were posted.
I’d also say we have seen many changes throughout times which does prove they atleast read them.
But alot of stuff people say is also obviously never gonna happen.
Blizzard stated: they wouldn’t consider any changes or reworks which lift the specc in a direction they don’t want it to be.
So for example they will ignore any threads which talk about reverting survival, “revert to X expansions” “remove holy power” “give Paladins mobility” “bring back demo demonform” etc etc
Which do make up alot of critisms aswell, and while yes you could argue there are lots who are vocally against these things. Blizzard have already stated they simply aren’t willing to change them.
Shadow priests did win after a while yes, but shadow also had to reach a level of complete non-functionality to make it a thing and they’re still trying to bind us to the system via a talent
There are some absolute failures made by the Devs at multiple steps and even with proven theory crafting and presentation has been ignored. And that is definitely something to criticize
However there are also a 1000 topics of 100 different styles of reworks for every class in the game on a multitude of forums
We are a large playerbase and we all want different things. It can be really hard to realistically please everyone
I disagree with that, I do think that prot was better and is going to be better than in Legion and BFA. Seriously, using sotr charges as a ressource??? What the heck is this?
And yet they have reworked a lot of specs. Including SP (That was unexpected)
Regarding demon, I wish this spec is non functional in SL so they have to rework demon (Translation : revert)
You have brightened my morning with the beautiful irony of someone wasting his time posting, telling people not to bother making suggestions because they will not be read, knowing his post will barely be read, and certainly not heeded by the people making suggestions.
The truth is, the posting of suggestions, and the replies to those suggestions, is mostly an educational experience for people visiting the forums, and those who look things up on Google. It is also somewhat of an annoyance for the regulars hearing the same suggestions over and over.
IF a suggestion is genuinely good,
AND doesn’t have unstated drawbacks,
AND the suggester can defend the idea against all the criticism it will get when made public,
then the suggestion can and will reach a wider audience, and eventually be brought to the attention of the devs.
But if I had a suggestion that, after consideration, I genuinely thought was good, this would not be my first choice to push it … maybe to test it, though.
I would disagree. Of course devs don’t consider everything, there are a lot of stupid ideas here. But they clearly condier some suggestions. It’s not their job to read the forums but Community Managers and other Forum Moderators are paid to read the forums. When they see something interesting they forward it to the devs.
In BfA they implemented a solution to travel, flight and aquatic form glyphs that I suggested on these very forums.
I have seen Blues say that it’s best to make suggestions ingame rather than on the forums to make sure they get to the developers.
Of all the things posted around the world in the forums I think that only 0.01% or another very low number actually get to the right people. The forums are mostly used to pass on information and the posters who do that very rarely come back to those threads.
Take the Classic thread about removing layers. People who post there think their thread made Blizzard remove them. If it did the Blue post saying they have been removed would have stated that the thread influenced them. All they said is that the numbers supported the layers being removed.
I tried to say this to them and got some very salty replies in return. People want to think they matter and their opinions count but they very rarely do in this game.
In the 15 years of the forums you can probably list 5-6 things that actually came about because of a forum post, and that post would have been in the US forums anyway and just echoed in the EU forums.
How do you know it wasn’t just a coincidence? That they already were planning it and you had the same thought?
There is always a chance it was a coincidance. I don’t know. I just know it was the exact same solution I proposed and that they didn’t think about it when they made changes to how glyphs work in Legion.
